Why all this fuzz? [🇷 for BE/BA]

posted by Helmut Homepage – Vienna, Austria, 2012-03-30 20:46 (4828 d 18:27 ago) – Posting: # 8358
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Dear Detlew!

❝ I'm not quite sure If I really understand what you attempt here.


In more detail now. The authors explored different methods for estimating tlag. Clearly the one used in standard PK software (the last timepoint before the first measured concentration) performed worst – especially if ka is high and few timepoints are available. We discussed that already (#1872, #4850). Csizmadia and Endrényi studied the methods in terms of RSME and bias; I’m also interested in setting up simulations of BE studies (formulations different in F, ka, tlag, or combinations). In other words: If we use a ‘bad’ method – is the BE outcome substantially affected? Some ideas:In my experience one- and two-compartment models with a lag-time cover the vast majority of IR and DR formulations. Even if in all subjects concentrations were measured at the first sampling time point PK models with a lag-time generally result in better fits (especially of the absorption phase and of Cmax). Once I have a suitable setup I could try to answer questions only a few people dare to ask, like:BTW, Csizmadia and Endrényi refer in their models’ parameters to an earlier (and much quoted) publication by Bois et al (1994).2 Interesting that there normal distributed data were assumed (why?) and a truncation of ±3 SD was used (though with the same CVs). Does anybody know an R package supporting the truncated log-normal?

The analytical error was already defined in a strange way in Bois’ paper:

Analytical assay errors were generated from truncated normal distributions with no bias (mean zero), a CV of 10%, truncation at ±3 CV, plus a fixed term equal to the product of the assay CV and the limit of quantification, LQ.

Also interesting that they also showed a large positive bias and terrible CV of AUC, especially for two-compartment models. Of the extrapolation methods using the estimated Clast instead of the measured Clast performed slightly better. AUCt performed best by far. The study was sponsored by the FDA – still requiring AUC:not really:


  1. Paixão P, Gouveia LF, Morais JGA. An alternative single dose parameter to avoid the need for steady-state studies on oral extended-release drug products. Eur J Pharm Biopharm. 2012;80(2):410–7. doi:10.1016/j.ejpb.2011.11.001
  2. Bois FY, Tozer TN, Hauck WW, Chen M-L, Patnaik R, Williams RL. Bioequivalence: Performance of Several Measures of Extent of Absorption. Pharm Res. 1994;11(5):715–22. doi:10.1023/A:1018932430733

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