Why all this fuzz? [🇷 for BE/BA]
Dear Detlew!
In more detail now. The authors explored different methods for estimating tlag. Clearly the one used in standard PK software (the last timepoint before the first measured concentration) performed worst – especially if ka is high and few timepoints are available. We discussed that already (#1872, #4850). Csizmadia and Endrényi studied the methods in terms of RSME and bias; I’m also interested in setting up simulations of BE studies (formulations different in F, ka, tlag, or combinations). In other words: If we use a ‘bad’ method – is the BE outcome substantially affected? Some ideas:
The analytical error was already defined in a strange way in Bois’ paper:
❝ I'm not quite sure If I really understand what you attempt here.
In more detail now. The authors explored different methods for estimating tlag. Clearly the one used in standard PK software (the last timepoint before the first measured concentration) performed worst – especially if ka is high and few timepoints are available. We discussed that already (#1872, #4850). Csizmadia and Endrényi studied the methods in terms of RSME and bias; I’m also interested in setting up simulations of BE studies (formulations different in F, ka, tlag, or combinations). In other words: If we use a ‘bad’ method – is the BE outcome substantially affected? Some ideas:
- Reproduce the paper’s results for comparability.
- Explore tlag as x of the last time point where C≤LLOQ and the first >LLOQ.
- Think about DR formulations. Is a shift in tlag unbiased reflected in tmax? Would be nice because (already) frequent sampling around Cmax would make additional frequent sampling around the expected tlag unnecessary.
- AUCt if tlast,R ≠ tlast,T (the wonderful missing value story). Explore the bias if the true ratio ≠ 1.
- AUC72 or AUCτ: Inter-/extrapolate to nominal time? Extrapolate a missing value?
- Missing values generally…
- Clast or estimated Cmin at τ?1
- Explore different algorithms in selecting the terminal phase in multicompartmental models.
The analytical error was already defined in a strange way in Bois’ paper:
Analytical assay errors were generated from truncated normal distributions with no bias (mean zero), a CV of 10%, truncation at ±3 CV, plus a fixed term equal to the product of the assay CV and the limit of quantification, LQ.
Also interesting that they also showed a large positive bias and terrible CV of AUC∞, especially for two-compartment models. Of the extrapolation methods using the estimated Clast instead of the measured Clast performed slightly better. AUCt performed best by far. The study was sponsored by the FDA – still requiring AUC∞…
- Paixão P, Gouveia LF, Morais JGA. An alternative single dose parameter to avoid the need for steady-state studies on oral extended-release drug products. Eur J Pharm Biopharm. 2012;80(2):410–7. doi:10.1016/j.ejpb.2011.11.001
- Bois FY, Tozer TN, Hauck WW, Chen M-L, Patnaik R, Williams RL. Bioequivalence: Performance of Several Measures of Extent of Absorption. Pharm Res. 1994;11(5):715–22. doi:10.1023/A:1018932430733
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Complete thread:
- PK simulation Helmut 2012-03-29 18:52 [🇷 for BE/BA]
- PK simulation d_labes 2012-03-30 15:38
- PK simulation Helmut 2012-03-30 15:56
- PK simulation - log-normal d_labes 2012-03-31 14:40
- Why all this fuzz?Helmut 2012-03-30 18:46
- PK simulation Helmut 2012-03-30 15:56
- PK simulation jag009 2012-03-30 20:34
- PK simulation jag009 2012-04-04 17:03
- R function rlnorm() d_labes 2012-04-05 09:15
- Lognormal vs. truncated normal Helmut 2012-04-05 14:27
- Lognormal vs. truncated normal jag009 2012-04-05 17:52
- PK simulation d_labes 2012-03-30 15:38