earlybird ☆ 2010-11-24 17:34 (5266 d 11:56 ago) Posting: # 6210 Views: 8,490 |
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Dear members, Image you have results from literature (PE and 90% CI) from a fully replicate design (4 periods, 4 sequences). Does someone know how to calcalate intra-subject CV? For example PE = 103, CI = [93; 115]? Regards, Earlybird Edit: Category changed. [Helmut] |
Helmut ★★★ ![]() ![]() Vienna, Austria, 2010-11-24 19:47 (5266 d 09:44 ago) @ earlybird Posting: # 6211 Views: 7,490 |
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Hi earlybird! Sorry, I'm too short in time to do the algebra for you - but two hints:
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earlybird ☆ 2010-11-25 08:58 (5265 d 20:32 ago) @ Helmut Posting: # 6215 Views: 7,346 |
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Hallo HS, thank you for your hint! D_Labes has always good knowledge. Well I think first I have to buy the actuall edition of the book you recomended. My version is a little bit old fashioned. In the meantime I will ask Dave Dubins how much it will cost to include a new button for that kind of question in his FARTSSIE tool. Best regards, earlybird |
Helmut ★★★ ![]() ![]() Vienna, Austria, 2010-11-25 14:54 (5265 d 14:37 ago) @ earlybird Posting: # 6226 Views: 7,367 |
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Hi earlybird! ❝ thank you for your hint! D_Labes has always good knowledge. You can bet on that. ![]() ❝ Well I think first I have to buy the actuall edition of the book you ❝ recomended. My version is a little bit old fashioned. Well, it's the same chapter (9.4.2) in the previous editions: 1st ed. pp281, 2nd ed. pp285... ❝ [...] button [...] in [...] FARTSSIE tool. Go for it. In the meantime customize your button with your boss' name (or an approprite symbol - wingdings or webdings have some 'nice' ones): In the German version of M$-Excel right-click on the 'Boss Button' > Text bearbeiten > Your boss' name N > format N as Wingdings and see what happens. ![]() — Dif-tor heh smusma 🖖🏼 Довге життя Україна! ![]() Helmut Schütz ![]() The quality of responses received is directly proportional to the quality of the question asked. 🚮 Science Quotes |
earlybird ☆ 2010-11-26 11:20 (5264 d 18:11 ago) @ Helmut Posting: # 6236 Views: 7,266 |
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Hi HS! ❝ Well, it's the same chapter (9.4.2) in the previous editions: ❝ 1st ed. pp281, 2nd ed. pp285... OK I rename to slowlybird ![]() ❝ ❝ [...] button [...] in [...] FARTSSIE tool. ❝ ❝ Go for it. In the meantime customize your button with your boss' name (or ❝ an approprite symbol - wingdings or webdings have some 'nice' ones): In ❝ the German version of M$-Excel right-click on the 'Boss Button' > Text ❝ bearbeiten > Your boss' name N > format N as Wingdings and see what ❝ happens. I'll keep you informed what happens ![]() |
d_labes ★★★ Berlin, Germany, 2010-11-25 09:19 (5265 d 20:11 ago) @ earlybird Posting: # 6216 Views: 7,771 |
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Dear Earlybird, you need to know the sample size additional to the numbers given by you. Then you can use the formula [L,U]=log(point)+t(1-alpha,3*N-4)*s*sqrt(1/N) where L=log(lower) and U=log(upper) (see Chapter 9.4.2 of Chow and Liu (2009)) to obtain s by a little algebra, easy for you ![]() N is the total sample size and it is assumed that each sequence has the same number of subjects assigned. If not, the square root reads sqrt(1/16*(1/n1 + 1/n2 +1/n3 +1/n4)) where the ni are the numbers of subjects assigned to the four sequences. The degrees of freedom for the critical t-value are without carry over in the model. If your numbers are from a model with carry-over reduce them by 1. From the obtained s you get the coefficient of variation according to the well known formula CV=sqrt(exp(s2)-1)*100 (in %) Hope this helps. — Regards, Detlew |
earlybird ☆ 2010-11-25 12:08 (5265 d 17:22 ago) @ d_labes Posting: # 6222 Views: 7,597 |
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Dear d_labes, thank you it helps a lot! I am doing the programming now with Excel as I am not familiar with R and I am not as quick as you. What CV do you get it you assume a 4x4x4 replicate, and sample size of 24 subjects? Best regards, earlybird |
d_labes ★★★ Berlin, Germany, 2010-11-25 11:11 (5265 d 18:20 ago) @ earlybird Posting: # 6218 Views: 7,503 |
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Dear Earlybird, dear All, for those who have access to R and have installed the package PowerTOST here an add-on function: require(PowerTOST) With this function you can obtain the CV from each design ![]() This function will be included in the next release of PowerTOST if the author of that package will accept the code ![]() Taking the numbers from the first post in this thread and assuming 24 subjects one gets: CVfromCI(point=1.03,lower=0.93,upper=1.15,n=24,design="2x4x4") i.e. CV=32%. — Regards, Detlew |
Helmut ★★★ ![]() ![]() Vienna, Austria, 2010-11-25 15:08 (5265 d 14:23 ago) @ d_labes Posting: # 6227 Views: 7,366 |
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Dear D. Labes! ❝ Any enhancement or comment welcome. Very nice code! <nitpicking> Only a comment concerning the package's documentation: S.A. J — Dif-tor heh smusma 🖖🏼 Довге життя Україна! ![]() Helmut Schütz ![]() The quality of responses received is directly proportional to the quality of the question asked. 🚮 Science Quotes |
d_labes ★★★ Berlin, Germany, 2010-11-25 15:47 (5265 d 13:43 ago) @ Helmut Posting: # 6229 Views: 7,323 |
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Dear Helmut, ❝ <nitpicking> ❝ ❝ ❝ </nitpicking> seems I suffer from too many ooooh's. And this in the name of Sancta Julius! Let's see if this damned bug has vanished at each place it occures til version 12.0-1 ![]() — Regards, Detlew |
Helmut ★★★ ![]() ![]() Vienna, Austria, 2010-12-23 04:42 (5238 d 00:48 ago) @ d_labes Posting: # 6335 Views: 7,081 |
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Dear D. Labes, this post made me suspicious. Ah, see 0.7-3 => 0.8-1! Nice! ❝ seems I suffer from too many ooooh's. At least you made it in the HTML-help; the PDF is still over-oooohed. — Dif-tor heh smusma 🖖🏼 Довге життя Україна! ![]() Helmut Schütz ![]() The quality of responses received is directly proportional to the quality of the question asked. 🚮 Science Quotes |