yuvrajkatkar ★ Pune, Maharashtra (India), 2010-04-03 11:01 (5502 d 04:58 ago) Posting: # 5005 Views: 10,266 |
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Dear all, If we have 3 period, 2 treatment crossover study design and we have the information (point estimate, 90% CI and sample size) for this design then how to calculate Intra CV for 2 treatment- 2 sequence crossover study design based on this information. If we have 4 period, 2 treatment crossover study design and we have the information (point estimate, 90% CI and sample size) for this design then how to calculate Intra CV for 2 treatment- 2 sequence crossover study design based on this information. — Best Regards, Yuvraj |
rasheed ☆ 2010-04-13 08:34 (5492 d 07:25 ago) (edited on 2010-04-13 11:59) @ yuvrajkatkar Posting: # 5102 Views: 8,497 |
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Dear yuvrajkatkar First of all I would like to tell u that if number of periods or sequences are greater than the treatments which are to be compared, this refers to a higher order crossover design, such a design u mentioned in ur query, model for the crossover design and higher order crossover design are different so point estimate obtained from both designs are not similar so there is no way to obtaine the CV for the 2 X 2 crossover design based on the information obtained from higher order crossover design, you should consider the point estimate and 90% CI from 2 X 2 crossover design to obtained the CV for 2X2 crossover design, best regerds rasheed. Edit: Full quote removed. Please delete anything from the text of the original poster which is not necessary in understanding your answer; see also this post! [Ohlbe] |
d_labes ★★★ Berlin, Germany, 2010-04-14 11:56 (5491 d 04:03 ago) @ yuvrajkatkar Posting: # 5118 Views: 8,836 |
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Dear yuvrajkatkar, ❝ If we have 3 period, 2 treatment crossover study design and we have the information (point estimate, 90% CI and sample size) for this design then how to calculate Intra CV for 2 treatment- 2 sequence crossover study Do it the same way as here in the forum and in Helmut's lectures described for the classical 2x2 cross-over but take into account the modifications of the CI formulas according to the replicate design. These can be found f.i. in Chow, Liu "Design and analysis of bioavailability and bioequivalence studies" Third edition 2009 CRC Press, Chapman and Hall Chapter 9 -- or -- Chow, Liu On assessment of bioequivalence under a higher-order crossover design J. Biopharm. Stat. 2(2), 239-256 (1992) For instance the CI in the log-domain for the 3-period-2-sequence dual design (TRR/RTT) is (Chow/Liu, chapter 9, page 269): CIlower,upper=point + t(alpha,2*N-3))*S*sqrt((3/8)*(1/n1+1/n2)) where n1 and n2 are the numbers of subjects in the two sequences. If you don't have these, assume n1=n2=N/2 in the formula. N is total sample size. The square root in the CI formula then reduces to sqrt(1.5/N). In case you have only the CI without a point estimator calculate the latter according to: point = sqrt(upper*lower) before taking the logarithm. With a little school math ![]() CV=sqrt(exp(s2)-1)*100 (in %) For the criticasters ![]() In summary I disagree totally with rasheed's "... there is no way to obtain the CV for the 2 X 2 crossover design based on the information obtained from higher order crossover design ..." Where there's a will, there's a way. ![]() — Regards, Detlew |
rasheed ☆ 2010-04-14 15:05 (5491 d 00:54 ago) @ d_labes Posting: # 5127 Views: 8,381 |
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Dear D.Labes Can you justify or prove the formula Point= sqrt(lower*upper) ? please give me the reference regerds rasheed . |
Ohlbe ★★★ France, 2010-04-14 17:52 (5490 d 22:07 ago) @ rasheed Posting: # 5131 Views: 8,322 |
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Dear Rasheed, ❝ Can you justify or prove the formula ❝ ❝ Point= sqrt(lower*upper) ![]() Isn't this what is commonly called the geometric mean ? ![]() Regards Ohlbe — Regards Ohlbe |
d_labes ★★★ Berlin, Germany, 2010-04-14 18:45 (5490 d 21:14 ago) @ Ohlbe Posting: # 5133 Views: 8,382 |
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Dear Ohlbe, full ACK with your subject line. Dear rasheed, Take some basic mathematics book about logarithms as reference. SCNR. — Regards, Detlew |