Ohlbe ★★★ France, 2021-09-17 01:41 (1307 d 12:32 ago) Posting: # 22575 Views: 11,765 |
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Dear all, It looks like the FDA has just keelhauled 2 CROs again: Panexcell and Synchron Research. The FDA will reject all data from both CROs due to data manipulation. All Panexcell data had already been rejected in the EU. The FDA letters are very explicit regarding what they have found, and their conclusion is crystal clear: Put simply, because you have been responsible for the creation of false data in the studies discussed here, we have no reason to believe that any data that you have produced are reliable. Thus, FDA has determined that all study data from all studies conducted at your firm must be rejected. — Regards Ohlbe |
ElMaestro ★★★ Denmark, 2021-09-17 10:42 (1307 d 03:31 ago) @ Ohlbe Posting: # 22576 Views: 10,779 |
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Yikes Ohlbe, ❝ It looks like the FDA has just keelhauled 2 CROs again: Panexcell and Synchron Research. The FDA will reject all data from both CROs due to data manipulation. All Panexcell data had already been rejected in the EU. ❝ ❝ The FDA letters are very explicit regarding what they have found, and their conclusion is crystal clear: ❝ ❝ Put simply, because you have been responsible for the creation of false data in the studies discussed here, we have no reason to believe that any data that you have produced are reliable. Thus, FDA has determined that all study data from all studies conducted at your firm must be rejected. thanks for posting the info. These stories justify the existence of the SatoWIB and Buster software that's used to detect exactly the type of manipulation that FDA are worried about. FDA sends a remarkably clear message there. One good question is what happens now. I would not be surprised if PanExcell and Synchron will cease to exist (might pop up under another name?), sponsors using the two CROs will be forced to abandon some/all of their MA's and/or repeat studies even for EU and WHO, and regulators will more seriously start to consider how statistical (or pharmacokinetic) software screening for indicators of manipulation in their own right should be used routinely within agencies. There may be a little wars going on between assessors and inspectors all the while. E.g. whose job is it to screen and who takes decisions on the basis of the outcome? But Rome wasn't built in a day ![]() ![]() Bonus question: Have a look at the pdf files from FDA. Now answer this question: Which day were the letters issued? Not written in the file? Well, then how about the meta-info embedded in the pd file? Oh, a date is not there either? Well, then... Do we really need to go looking for the date on the linking FDA page? It is funny how, in this day and age when ALCOA and so forth is so fashionable, letters like these are not explicitly dated. Is there a reason? Edit: 2 successive posts merged [Ohlbe] — Pass or fail! ElMaestro |
Ohlbe ★★★ France, 2021-09-17 12:15 (1307 d 01:57 ago) @ ElMaestro Posting: # 22579 Views: 10,584 |
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Dear ElMaestro, ❝ Have a look at the pdf files from FDA. Now answer this question: Which day were the letters issued? Well, the only place where you can find a date is the name of the PDF file, which for both letters includes "9.15.21". If you were to tell an FDA inspector this is how you date your documents, you would get his autograph on a '483. By the way, I forgot. Look at the date of the inspection on Synchron's letter. Now look at this announcement on their web site ![]() — Regards Ohlbe |
Ohlbe ★★★ France, 2021-09-17 22:28 (1306 d 15:45 ago) @ ElMaestro Posting: # 22587 Views: 10,519 |
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Hi ElMaestro, ❝ One good question is what happens now. I would not be surprised if PanExcell and Synchron will cease to exist (might pop up under another name?), sponsors using the two CROs will be forced to abandon some/all of their MA's and/or repeat studies Yes, indeed, in the USA: instructions to companies have now been posted on the FDA web site. Repeat all studies; therapeutic equivalence of already approved products is meanwhile changed to BX. Europe: it should not take them more than a year or two to decide what to do ![]() ❝ Have a look at the pdf files from FDA. Now answer this question: Which day were the letters issued? ❝ Do we really need to go looking for the date on the linking FDA page? According to this new page: the letters were sent out on 15 September 2021. — Regards Ohlbe |
Ohlbe ★★★ France, 2022-01-24 18:47 (1177 d 18:25 ago) @ Ohlbe Posting: # 22754 Views: 9,104 |
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Dear all, ❝ Europe: it should not take them more than a year or two to decide what to do Mmmm. It looks like things are moving a bit: according to the Agenda of the January CHMP meeting an Article 31 referral is being triggered (see page 32 of the PDF). Will take some more months before the referral is concluded and the Commission decision gets published and implemented. Malaysia announced their decision almost 2 months ago. Edit: detailed information on the referral is now available here [Ohlbe]. — Regards Ohlbe |
Helmut ★★★ ![]() ![]() Vienna, Austria, 2021-09-17 18:50 (1306 d 19:23 ago) @ Ohlbe Posting: # 22583 Views: 10,800 |
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Hi Ohlbe, successful cheating is not for lay persons… The CVs calculated from the confidence intervals in both ‘parts’ are much lower than the ones in the ‘full’ study. Or the other way ’round: If we pool the CVs of the ‘parts’ we could expect values which are lower than the ‘observed’ (tee-hee!) ones.
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Ohlbe ★★★ France, 2021-09-17 19:56 (1306 d 18:17 ago) @ Helmut Posting: # 22585 Views: 10,530 |
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Hi Helmut, ❝ The CVs calculated from the confidence intervals in both ‘parts’ are much lower than the ones in the ‘full’ study. Or the other way ’round: If we pool the CVs of the ‘parts’ we could expect values which are lower than the ‘observed’ (tee-hee!) ones. Yep. The effect on the MSE is clearly visible on Figure 4 of the paper linked by ElMaestro. — Regards Ohlbe |
ElMaestro ★★★ Denmark, 2021-09-17 20:51 (1306 d 17:22 ago) @ Ohlbe Posting: # 22586 Views: 10,585 |
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Hi all, ❝ ❝ The CVs calculated from the confidence intervals in both ‘parts’ are much lower than the ones in the ‘full’ study. Or the other way ’round: If we pool the CVs of the ‘parts’ we could expect values which are lower than the ‘observed’ (tee-hee!) ones. Correctly observed. And for exactly those reasons it makes very good sense to plot for example the RMSE, CV, SE of diff., or even the width of the CI as function of (cumulated) number of subjects. It is not so difficult. ![]() — Pass or fail! ElMaestro |
Helmut ★★★ ![]() ![]() Vienna, Austria, 2021-09-18 17:26 (1305 d 20:46 ago) @ ElMaestro Posting: # 22588 Views: 10,446 |
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Hi ElMaestro, ❝ […] it makes very good sense to plot for example the RMSE, CV, SE of diff., or even the width of the CI as function of (cumulated) number of subjects. If you have all data, of course. A simple visualization using the res data.frame of my previous post:
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jag009 ★★★ NJ, 2021-09-19 11:18 (1305 d 02:54 ago) @ Ohlbe Posting: # 22589 Views: 10,345 |
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HI Ohlbe ❝ It looks like the FDA has just keelhauled 2 CROs again: Good that FDA caught them. Can't wait to see their clients sue their ass off for pulling those kind of stunts. J |
ElMaestro ★★★ Denmark, 2022-05-24 14:00 (1058 d 00:12 ago) @ Ohlbe Posting: # 23012 Views: 8,512 |
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Hi all, update (kind of) dated 20.5.2022. Click here. And this remains a topic no-one will really discuss. This is the tip of the iceberg. — Pass or fail! ElMaestro |
Helmut ★★★ ![]() ![]() Vienna, Austria, 2022-05-24 14:51 (1057 d 23:21 ago) @ ElMaestro Posting: # 23013 Views: 8,527 |
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Hi ElMaestro, also interesting the list of medicines concerned by the procedure. You can read it ‘backwards’, i.e., look at the sponsors. No pre-study vendor audit, sloppy monitoring? Yeah, on-site monitoring generally covers only the clinical part but still… Once we were there for a monitoring. The analytical part was performed somewhere else and hence, mix-up of samples not an issue. Luckily it was only a pilot study for a couple of new formulations to be used in a line-extension. The reference performed exactly as expected but the others terrible → waste container. However, during the monitoring we felt uncomfortable. No smoking gun but dried blood on tissue paper in the phlebotomy room (before the study started!), contradicting statements about handling the IMPs, etc. I recommended my clients to avoid this CRO. Given that, were monitors of the other sponsors ![]() Edit: Discovered a goody. Successful Completion of Surprise Joint Audit by USFDA & WHO – 18 – 22 November 2019 — Dif-tor heh smusma 🖖🏼 Довге життя Україна! ![]() Helmut Schütz ![]() The quality of responses received is directly proportional to the quality of the question asked. 🚮 Science Quotes |
Ohlbe ★★★ France, 2022-05-24 16:21 (1057 d 21:52 ago) @ Helmut Posting: # 23014 Views: 8,458 |
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Dear Helmut, ❝ also interesting the list of medicines concerned by the procedure. You can read it ‘backwards’, i.e., look at the sponsors. Well, marketing authorisation holders / applicants were not necessarily the sponsor of the study. Some of them just bought the dossier off the shelf, before or after the marketing authorisation was granted. Due diligence: generally, nil, especially if the marketing authorisation was already granted. EMA organised a workshop with representatives of the generic drug industry some years ago, after the first referrals of this type. Nothing came out of it. Industry's position: "we can't audit the study when we buy the dossier coz' we were not the sponsor". It went nowhere. ❝ Given that, were monitors of the other sponsors Or just incompetent ? Or were some of the sponsors perfectly aware of the scam, and willing to use such CROs precisely because they were sure their study would pass ? — Regards Ohlbe |
Helmut ★★★ ![]() ![]() Vienna, Austria, 2022-05-24 18:35 (1057 d 19:37 ago) @ Ohlbe Posting: # 23015 Views: 8,552 |
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Dear Ohlbe, ❝ Well, marketing authorisation holders / applicants were not necessarily the sponsor of the study. Some of them just bought the dossier off the shelf, before or after the marketing authorisation was granted. Good point! ❝ Due diligence: generally, nil, especially if the marketing authorisation was already granted. EMA organised a workshop with representatives of the generic drug industry some years ago, after the first referrals of this type. Nothing came out of it. Industry's position: "we can't audit the study when we buy the dossier coz' we were not the sponsor". It went nowhere. I was once hired by the potential buyer of a dossier to assess it. I asked for the language. Spanish. Told them that my knowledge goes hardly beyond ¡Hola! ¿Qué hay? Paella, Rioja, cerveza. Answer: Fair enough, that’s fine. OK, business class flight to Barcelona, locked (!) for hours in a room with twenty binders. Funny. ❝ ❝ Given that, were monitors of the other sponsors ❝ Or just incompetent ? Another good point. However, it’s not rocket since, right? ❝ Or were some of the sponsors perfectly aware of the scam, and willing to use such CROs precisely because they were sure their study would pass ? Possible. Shyte. — Dif-tor heh smusma 🖖🏼 Довге життя Україна! ![]() Helmut Schütz ![]() The quality of responses received is directly proportional to the quality of the question asked. 🚮 Science Quotes |
ElMaestro ★★★ Denmark, 2022-05-25 10:11 (1057 d 04:01 ago) @ Helmut Posting: # 23016 Views: 8,436 |
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Hi Hötzi, all, ❝ Given that, were monitors of the other sponsors these CROs were accused of practices that hardly anyone can see if monitoring is done in the classical fashion. I have been deeply involved in CROs doing "the switch", and none of them left any trace on source and/or they left no trace on source that would be easy to spot (this consideration includes spreadsheets for those who heard such rumors). Next, monitors are relatively low on the corporate ladder. They do not decide what they are supposed to look into. They do not write their own SOPs or give much direction. Therefore, don't blame it on monitors. Blind monitors are not an issue, I think, but no monitors are. It isn't unusual that sponsor skip monitoring altogether. Like some of our mutual friends in the US do when using this CRO. I would much rather point towards something much more basic. There is no guideline that specifically says you have to monitor or when (ICH E6 has a vague wording on this part), and there is no guideline that says what exactly to look for and if you've been working with CRO X for Y years and never had an issue then why would you consider "the switch" a manifest risk that requires activity? Mind you, you already convinced me (really!), but the task is to convince the decision-makers who know little about these operations, but who know how to read legal stuff. Finally, "the switch" is perhaps much easier to see at a stage when monitoring is done. This is not a monitoring thing, basically. DD: Well what would you look for? It was not until 2021 that someone actually showed that the switch can be seen with software, but this requires that such software is written and available along with data. — Pass or fail! ElMaestro |
Helmut ★★★ ![]() ![]() Vienna, Austria, 2022-05-25 11:19 (1057 d 02:53 ago) @ ElMaestro Posting: # 23017 Views: 8,609 |
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Hi ElMaestro, first of all, I agree with all you wrote. ![]() ❝ Finally, "the switch" is perhaps much easier to see at a stage when monitoring is done. It happens in the analytical stage. No monitoring… ❝ DD: Well what would you look for? It was not until 2021 that someone actually showed that the switch can be seen with software, but this requires that such software is written and available along with data. Remember GVK Bio back in the day? Doable in a spreadshit.
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Ohlbe ★★★ France, 2022-05-25 12:53 (1057 d 01:20 ago) @ Helmut Posting: # 23018 Views: 8,524 |
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Dear Helmut and ElMaestro, ❝ Remember GVK Bio back in the day? Doable in a spreadshit. ❝ The data are available to the sponsor and potential buyers of the dossier as well. Well, remember GVK ? According to the ANSM inspection report (document A3, page 3), the whistleblower said that "the switch", as ElMaestro calls it, was done only for some sponsors, who paid the head of the bioanalytical lab to do it. The report does not mention any evidence being found to support this allegation, but that's indeed a possibility. Overall:
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Helmut ★★★ ![]() ![]() Vienna, Austria, 2022-05-25 14:04 (1057 d 00:08 ago) @ Ohlbe Posting: # 23019 Views: 8,465 |
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Dear Ohlbe, ❝ Well, remember GVK ? According to the ANSM inspection report (document A3, page 3), … Didn’t know that the documents are in the public domain in the meantime. ![]() ❝ … the whistleblower said that "the switch", as ElMaestro calls it, was done only for some sponsors, who paid the head of the bioanalytical lab to do it. The report does not mention any evidence being found to support this allegation, but that's indeed a possibility. However, as I wrote above it’s a pretty trivial exercise for anybody to critically inspect the data. No need to buy a pig in a poke. An example from my files: 2×2×2 crossover of a HVD back in the day when reference-scaling was not acceptable, assumed T/R-ratio 95%, CV 40%, targeted at ≥80% power, anticipated dropout-rate 10%. Hence, the large sample size (74 dosed). In the study (71 eligible subjects) the PE was with 96.77% slightly better than expected (90% CI: 89.82–104.26%) and the CV with 27.1% as well.
❝ – if the sponsor selected the CRO precisely because it is doing "the switch" (be the decision to select that CRO or to make "the switch" made by the Man in the Penguin Armani Suit or by somebody not willing to bring bad news to this man), well... Likely he receives annual gratifications cause all studies pass. If sumfink is uncovered, he moves to the next company. Nowadays being employed by numerous companies is understood as sign of competence and ‘solution based flexibility’. — Dif-tor heh smusma 🖖🏼 Довге життя Україна! ![]() Helmut Schütz ![]() The quality of responses received is directly proportional to the quality of the question asked. 🚮 Science Quotes |
Ohlbe ★★★ France, 2022-05-25 16:40 (1056 d 21:32 ago) @ Helmut Posting: # 23020 Views: 8,518 |
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Dear Helmut, ❝ ❝ Well, remember GVK ? According to the ANSM inspection report (document A3, page 3), … ❝ Didn’t know that the documents are in the public domain in the meantime. I found them by chance, linked to this paper and that one from the same author. Apparently he made a freedom-of-information request and posted the reports he obtained. ❝ However, as I wrote above it’s a pretty trivial exercise for anybody to critically inspect the data. "Trivial" if you have the coding skills or know someone who does, yes, definitely. And yes, it definitely makes sense, even (especially ?) if you are buying a dossier from the shelf. ❝ Possibly the statistician was fired by the man in the Armani suit shouting ❝ »You’re a bloody looser‼ Why didn’t we perform the study in 16 subjects‽ ❝ I calculated post hoc power in FARTSSIE and it’s already 81.6%! What’s the point of having 99.4% at the end?« Come on, the man in the Armani suit has no idea how to use FARTSSIE and has even never heard of it ![]() — Regards Ohlbe |
Helmut ★★★ ![]() ![]() Vienna, Austria, 2022-05-25 17:35 (1056 d 20:38 ago) @ Ohlbe Posting: # 23021 Views: 8,528 |
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Dear Ohlbe, ❝ ❝ Didn’t know that the documents are in the public domain in the meantime. ❝ I found them by chance, linked to this paper and that one from the same author. THX, interesting. ❝ ❝ However, as I wrote above it’s a pretty trivial exercise for anybody to critically inspect the data. ❝ "Trivial" if you have the coding skills or know someone who does, yes, definitely. Your wish is my command. ❝ And yes, it definitely makes sense, even (especially ?) if you are buying a dossier from the shelf. ❝ ❝ ❝ Possibly the statistician was fired by the man in the Armani suit shouting ❝ ❝ I calculated post hoc power in FARTSSIE and it’s already 81.6%! What’s the point of having 99.4% at the end?« ❝ ❝ Come on, the man in the Armani suit has no idea how to use FARTSSIE and has even never heard of it How could I forget? Only professional in PowerPoint, Twitter, WhatsApp, copypasting from one document to another, networking at conferences, smalltalk at cocktail parties. Preferred communication via LinkedIn.
Currently only for 2×2×2 crossover designs. If you are not interested in the cumulative PE and CI, delete everything in red. Then you need only the columns — Dif-tor heh smusma 🖖🏼 Довге життя Україна! ![]() Helmut Schütz ![]() The quality of responses received is directly proportional to the quality of the question asked. 🚮 Science Quotes |
Helmut ★★★ ![]() ![]() Vienna, Austria, 2022-05-26 17:32 (1055 d 20:41 ago) @ Ohlbe Posting: # 23023 Views: 8,584 |
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Dear Ohlbe, I tried to reproduce the ‘Buster routines’ of the paper mentioned above. As usual the This is what I got for my manipulated data set: A Potentially A, C, D (and E?) are useful. I have some doubts whether a ‘mild’ manipulation ( ![]() Unfortunately the data set BUa627311.csv is not accessible at doi:10.1016/j.ejps.2020.105595. I suspect that the manipulation was extreme.
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mittyri ★★ Russia, 2022-05-26 20:28 (1055 d 17:44 ago) @ Helmut Posting: # 23024 Views: 8,208 |
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Dear Helmut, well, 'smart' analytical labs with intentions to correct the results based on the intermittent analysis will change the order of subjects in analysis. ![]() The unveiling is still possible, but will require some boring process of order extraction from analytical docs — Kind regards, Mittyri |
PharmCat ★ Russia, 2022-05-27 11:57 (1055 d 02:15 ago) @ mittyri Posting: # 23026 Views: 8,137 |
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❝ well, 'smart' analytical labs with intentions to correct the results based on the intermittent analysis will change the order of subjects in analysis. Hi all! All these statistical techniques in helpful, but not evidence. It can be a cause for audit. Also, these occasions became possible because the lab didn't expect this check. |
Helmut ★★★ ![]() ![]() Vienna, Austria, 2022-05-27 12:11 (1055 d 02:01 ago) @ mittyri Posting: # 23027 Views: 8,179 |
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Hi Mittyri, ❝ well, 'smart' analytical labs with intentions to correct the results based on the intermittent analysis will change the order of subjects in analysis. Agree. Nevertheless, the analytical report should contain information at which dates which subject was analyzed. ❝ The unveiling is still possible, but will require some boring process of order extraction from analytical docs If one suspects that the report is fabricated, one has to resort to the raw data. ![]() Since the runs test was not useful, I tried the Durbin-Watson test for autocorrelated errors (available in the car package). A dead end as well, even for my extremely manipulated third data set. However, testing the slope of a simple regression looks promising. Here for my second data set:
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sameep ☆ India, 2022-05-31 10:34 (1051 d 03:39 ago) @ Helmut Posting: # 23031 Views: 8,206 |
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Dear Helmut, Thanks for sharing the codes. ❝ If you want a version reading from XLS(X), let me know. ❝ However, testing the slope of a simple regression looks promising. Could you please share the XLSX version of the final code? Regards, Sameep. |
Helmut ★★★ ![]() ![]() Vienna, Austria, 2022-05-31 17:22 (1050 d 20:50 ago) @ sameep Posting: # 23033 Views: 7,972 |
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Hi Sameep, ❝ Could you please share the XLSX version of the final code? That’s a misunderstanding. The I’m still working on the script (in the meantime a monster with 496 lines of code), allowing not only 2×2×2 but also higher-order crossovers. Not fail-safe. Maybe (no promises) I will post it later. — Dif-tor heh smusma 🖖🏼 Довге життя Україна! ![]() Helmut Schütz ![]() The quality of responses received is directly proportional to the quality of the question asked. 🚮 Science Quotes |
sameep ☆ India, 2022-06-01 15:17 (1049 d 22:55 ago) @ Helmut Posting: # 23037 Views: 8,005 |
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Dear Helmut, ❝ for (i in 3:n) Works for all crossover datasets, whereas ❝ for (i in subj:n) { Works only if the sequence for the first two subjects is the same. If the first two subject's sequences are different (i.e. TR and RT), then it gives the below error, as calculations are not feasible due to zero degree of freedom. Error in power.TOST(CV = res$CV[i - 1], theta0 = res$PE[i - 1], n = length(unique(tmp$Subject))) : ❝ I was only talking about importing the data from xls(x). This is what I meant. ❝ I’m still working on the script (in the meantime a monster with 525 lines of code), allowing not only 2×2×2 but also higher-order crossovers. Not fail-safe. Thanks in advance, looking forward to the goodie. Regards, Sameep. |
Helmut ★★★ ![]() ![]() Vienna, Austria, 2022-06-01 16:11 (1049 d 22:01 ago) @ sameep Posting: # 23038 Views: 7,998 |
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Hi Sameep, corrected in the meantime; use: nseq <- length(unique(data$Sequence)) — Dif-tor heh smusma 🖖🏼 Довге життя Україна! ![]() Helmut Schütz ![]() The quality of responses received is directly proportional to the quality of the question asked. 🚮 Science Quotes |