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earlybird ☆ 2010-11-24 17:34 (5685 d 05:11 ago) Posting: # 6210 Views: 10,707 |
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Dear members, Image you have results from literature (PE and 90% CI) from a fully replicate design (4 periods, 4 sequences). Does someone know how to calcalate intra-subject CV? For example PE = 103, CI = [93; 115]? Regards, Earlybird Edit: Category changed. [Helmut] |
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Helmut ★★★ ![]() Vienna, Austria, 2010-11-24 19:47 (5685 d 02:58 ago) @ earlybird Posting: # 6211 Views: 9,444 |
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Hi earlybird! Sorry, I'm too short in time to do the algebra for you - but two hints:
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earlybird ☆ 2010-11-25 08:58 (5684 d 13:47 ago) @ Helmut Posting: # 6215 Views: 9,290 |
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Hallo HS, thank you for your hint! D_Labes has always good knowledge. Well I think first I have to buy the actuall edition of the book you recomended. My version is a little bit old fashioned. In the meantime I will ask Dave Dubins how much it will cost to include a new button for that kind of question in his FARTSSIE tool. Best regards, earlybird |
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Helmut ★★★ ![]() Vienna, Austria, 2010-11-25 14:54 (5684 d 07:51 ago) @ earlybird Posting: # 6226 Views: 9,311 |
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Hi earlybird! ❝ thank you for your hint! D_Labes has always good knowledge. You can bet on that. ![]() ❝ Well I think first I have to buy the actuall edition of the book you ❝ recomended. My version is a little bit old fashioned. Well, it's the same chapter (9.4.2) in the previous editions: 1st ed. pp281, 2nd ed. pp285... ❝ [...] button [...] in [...] FARTSSIE tool. Go for it. In the meantime customize your button with your boss' name (or an approprite symbol - wingdings or webdings have some 'nice' ones): In the German version of M$-Excel right-click on the 'Boss Button' > Text bearbeiten > Your boss' name N > format N as Wingdings and see what happens. ![]() — Dif-tor heh smusma 🖖🏼 Довге життя Україна! ![]() Helmut Schütz ![]() The quality of responses received is directly proportional to the quality of the question asked. 🚮 Science Quotes |
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earlybird ☆ 2010-11-26 11:20 (5683 d 11:25 ago) @ Helmut Posting: # 6236 Views: 9,222 |
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Hi HS! ❝ Well, it's the same chapter (9.4.2) in the previous editions: ❝ 1st ed. pp281, 2nd ed. pp285... OK I rename to slowlybird ![]() ❝ ❝ [...] button [...] in [...] FARTSSIE tool. ❝ ❝ Go for it. In the meantime customize your button with your boss' name (or ❝ an approprite symbol - wingdings or webdings have some 'nice' ones): In ❝ the German version of M$-Excel right-click on the 'Boss Button' > Text ❝ bearbeiten > Your boss' name N > format N as Wingdings and see what ❝ happens. I'll keep you informed what happens ![]() |
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d_labes ★★★ Berlin, Germany, 2010-11-25 09:19 (5684 d 13:26 ago) @ earlybird Posting: # 6216 Views: 9,787 |
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Dear Earlybird, you need to know the sample size additional to the numbers given by you. Then you can use the formula [L,U]=log(point)+t(1-alpha,3*N-4)*s*sqrt(1/N)where L=log(lower) and U=log(upper) (see Chapter 9.4.2 of Chow and Liu (2009)) to obtain s by a little algebra, easy for you .N is the total sample size and it is assumed that each sequence has the same number of subjects assigned. If not, the square root reads sqrt(1/16*(1/n1 + 1/n2 +1/n3 +1/n4)) where the ni are the numbers of subjects assigned to the four sequences. The degrees of freedom for the critical t-value are without carry over in the model. If your numbers are from a model with carry-over reduce them by 1. From the obtained s you get the coefficient of variation according to the well known formula CV=sqrt(exp(s2)-1)*100 (in %)Hope this helps. — Regards, Detlew |
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earlybird ☆ 2010-11-25 12:08 (5684 d 10:37 ago) @ d_labes Posting: # 6222 Views: 9,582 |
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Dear d_labes, thank you it helps a lot! I am doing the programming now with Excel as I am not familiar with R and I am not as quick as you. What CV do you get it you assume a 4x4x4 replicate, and sample size of 24 subjects? Best regards, earlybird |
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d_labes ★★★ Berlin, Germany, 2010-11-25 11:11 (5684 d 11:34 ago) @ earlybird Posting: # 6218 Views: 9,472 |
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Dear Earlybird, dear All, for those who have access to R and have installed the package PowerTOST here an add-on function: require(PowerTOST)With this function you can obtain the CV from each design known within PowerTOST.This function will be included in the next release of PowerTOST if the author of that package will accept the code . Any enhancement or comment welcome.Taking the numbers from the first post in this thread and assuming 24 subjects one gets: CVfromCI(point=1.03,lower=0.93,upper=1.15,n=24,design="2x4x4")i.e. CV=32%. — Regards, Detlew |
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Helmut ★★★ ![]() Vienna, Austria, 2010-11-25 15:08 (5684 d 07:37 ago) @ d_labes Posting: # 6227 Views: 9,288 |
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Dear D. Labes! ❝ Any enhancement or comment welcome. Very nice code! <nitpicking> Only a comment concerning the package's documentation: S.A. J — Dif-tor heh smusma 🖖🏼 Довге життя Україна! ![]() Helmut Schütz ![]() The quality of responses received is directly proportional to the quality of the question asked. 🚮 Science Quotes |
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d_labes ★★★ Berlin, Germany, 2010-11-25 15:47 (5684 d 06:58 ago) @ Helmut Posting: # 6229 Views: 9,264 |
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Dear Helmut, ❝ <nitpicking> ❝ ❝ ❝ </nitpicking> seems I suffer from too many ooooh's. And this in the name of Sancta Julius! Let's see if this damned bug has vanished at each place it occures til version 12.0-1 .— Regards, Detlew |
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Helmut ★★★ ![]() Vienna, Austria, 2010-12-23 04:42 (5656 d 18:03 ago) @ d_labes Posting: # 6335 Views: 9,039 |
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Dear D. Labes, this post made me suspicious. Ah, see 0.7-3 => 0.8-1! Nice! ❝ seems I suffer from too many ooooh's. At least you made it in the HTML-help; the PDF is still over-oooohed. — Dif-tor heh smusma 🖖🏼 Довге життя Україна! ![]() Helmut Schütz ![]() The quality of responses received is directly proportional to the quality of the question asked. 🚮 Science Quotes |

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