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Dear FI,
"Hier liegt der Hund begraben!" (That's the crux of the matter.)
The formula you use to relate MSE and stderr of the difference T-R is only appropriate if the study is balanced with respect to the number of subjects within the sequences.
If this is not the case you have to use (1)
for the 'full replicate' design (2-sequence-4period).
Only if you set n1=n2=N/2 (N=total number of subjects) you get
or the other way round
you have used.
Since here for the EMA I dataset n1=36 (RTRT), n2=33 (TRTR)and MSE=0.1658977 you get stderr=0.04908023, that value you obtain from 'iout2' regardless if you use Proc GLM or Proc MIXED.
BTW: The formula for the partial replicate design (3-sequence-3-period) is
.
(1)S-C Chow and J-P Liu
Design and Analysis of Bioavailability and Bioequivalence Studies
Chapman & Hall / CRC, Boca Raton, 3rd Ed. (2009)
Chapter 9.4 (but cave! model without carry over for the 2x2x4, formula 9.4.12)
Hope this helps.
❝ Unfortunately I get a different value for the variance of the differences of the pooled formulation data:
❝ MSE=0.165897781 in EXCEL and
❝ 0.1662119811 from SAS, if I take the „stderr“-value from „iout2“ to calculate MSE using: MSE=stderr²*69;
❝ (accordingly: SE in EXCEL: 0.0490338, in SAS 0.49080)
"Hier liegt der Hund begraben!" (That's the crux of the matter.)
The formula you use to relate MSE and stderr of the difference T-R is only appropriate if the study is balanced with respect to the number of subjects within the sequences.
If this is not the case you have to use (1)
stderr2 = MSE*(0.25*(1/n1 + 1/n2))
for the 'full replicate' design (2-sequence-4period).
Only if you set n1=n2=N/2 (N=total number of subjects) you get
stderr2 = MSE*(1/N)
or the other way round
MSE = N*stderr2
you have used.
Since here for the EMA I dataset n1=36 (RTRT), n2=33 (TRTR)and MSE=0.1658977 you get stderr=0.04908023, that value you obtain from 'iout2' regardless if you use Proc GLM or Proc MIXED.

BTW: The formula for the partial replicate design (3-sequence-3-period) is
stderr2 = MSE*((1/6)*(1/n1 + 1/n2 + 1/n3))
❝ My knowledge in SAS is not enough, to draw the formula somewhere.

(1)S-C Chow and J-P Liu
Design and Analysis of Bioavailability and Bioequivalence Studies
Chapman & Hall / CRC, Boca Raton, 3rd Ed. (2009)
Chapter 9.4 (but cave! model without carry over for the 2x2x4, formula 9.4.12)
Hope this helps.
—
Regards,
Detlew
Regards,
Detlew
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