Oops! [Two-Stage / GS Designs]
Dear D. Labes!
Ah, funny.
I know - and knew. I was carried away be reading the paper again and to be honest for the first time I recalculated the examples.
Come on!
Sure. I’m a little bit confused right now, because it seems that I misunderstood the decision procedure. Until you came up with your nice question I thought that the power calculation is done on the actual PE of stage 1 (1.08, not 0.95) and only the sample size calculation is done with 0.95 (no adaption for effect size). From the examples the former is not true – both are done with 0.95. Now I'm stuck. Potvin’s simulations were done with 0.95; is it that simple to use e.g. 0.90 instead?
❝ According to their formula given in paragraph 2.3 they use the approximation via central shifted Student's t-distribution, …
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Ah, funny.
❝ But what you discuss was not my point, I think.
I know - and knew. I was carried away be reading the paper again and to be honest for the first time I recalculated the examples.
❝ Or was your first sentence already the answer?
Come on!

❝ I need to know the power of Potvin B/C if I assume 'true' GMR=1.08, 'true' CV = 0.3 for instance.
Sure. I’m a little bit confused right now, because it seems that I misunderstood the decision procedure. Until you came up with your nice question I thought that the power calculation is done on the actual PE of stage 1 (1.08, not 0.95) and only the sample size calculation is done with 0.95 (no adaption for effect size). From the examples the former is not true – both are done with 0.95. Now I'm stuck. Potvin’s simulations were done with 0.95; is it that simple to use e.g. 0.90 instead?
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Complete thread:
- Potvin method B subtleties d_labes 2011-01-31 14:24 [Two-Stage / GS Designs]
- Potvin method B subtleties jdetlor 2011-02-01 17:17
- Potvin method B subtleties d_labes 2011-02-02 09:15
- Potvin method B subtleties jdetlor 2011-02-02 16:08
- Potvin method B subtleties d_labes 2011-02-02 09:15
- Another one ... d_labes 2011-02-07 14:32
- Oops! Helmut 2011-02-07 15:24
- Oops! d_labes 2011-02-07 16:29
- Oops!Helmut 2011-02-07 16:47
- Oops! ElMaestro 2011-02-07 17:06
- Simul'ants in my pants d_labes 2011-02-08 09:07
- Need for speed... ElMaestro 2011-02-13 10:57
- Need for speed... d_labes 2011-02-15 14:06
- Need for speed... ElMaestro 2011-02-15 17:39
- Pocock alpha's d_labes 2011-02-16 09:18
- ElMaestro's brain ElMaestro 2011-02-16 09:32
- ElMaestro's brain d_labes 2011-02-16 10:05
- ElMaestro's brain ElMaestro 2011-02-16 12:07
- Numbers d_labes 2011-02-16 13:45
- ElMaestro's brain ElMaestro 2011-02-16 12:07
- ElMaestro's brain d_labes 2011-02-16 10:05
- ElMaestro's brain ElMaestro 2011-02-16 09:32
- Pocock alpha's d_labes 2011-02-16 09:18
- Need for speed... ElMaestro 2011-02-15 17:39
- Need for speed... d_labes 2011-02-15 14:06
- Need for speed... ElMaestro 2011-02-13 10:57
- Oops!Helmut 2011-02-07 16:47
- Oops! d_labes 2011-02-07 16:29
- Oops! Helmut 2011-02-07 15:24
- Bonus counter-question ElMaestro 2011-02-07 23:44
- Speed is the question d_labes 2011-02-08 08:36
- New paper (method D for PE 0.90) Helmut 2011-04-18 12:58
- New paper (method D for PE 0.90) d_labes 2011-04-19 08:58
- New paper (method D for PE 0.90) Helmut 2011-04-19 14:30
- New paper (method D for PE 0.90) ElMaestro 2011-04-19 14:49
- Stopping criterion # futility rule Helmut 2011-04-19 15:28
- New paper (method D for PE 0.90) d_labes 2011-04-19 08:58
- Potvin method B subtleties jdetlor 2011-02-01 17:17