Potvin method B subtleties [Two-Stage / GS Designs]
❝ ❝ Q2: If yes in Q1: It may happen that in the sample size ...
❝ The determination of alpha relates to the allocation of subjects between stages. What complicates the above with respect to Potvin et al. is the ratio of subjects is not known for the final analysis, and thus the impact on the choice of alpha would need to be evaluated through simulation.
The ratio of subjects between both stages is always not known at the planning stage in methods with interim sample size adaption. Therefore this is also true for the Potvin et.al. methods.
Using any scheme of nominal alpha values from the classical group-sequential designs is therefore not exactly correct because they rely on same number of subjects in each stage and the impact on the overall alpha has to be shown.
❝ ❝ Q3: Do you think that the power calculation makes sense if executed with the point estimate from stage 1 instead of GMR=0.95?
❝ Potvin et al. does mention this. I believe they reference Cui et al.2 who determine that if this approach is applied naively, it can inflate the type I error rate up to 30%.
Needs to be shown if this is true also for cross-over designs aimed to evaluate equivalence.
Do you know any 'non-naive' application?
❝ ❝ Q4: Do you think Method B is nearer then Method C to the sentence ...
❝ They both have interim analyses; method B evaluates BE initially, whereas method C evaluates the power, then BE. I don't know if you could say that one is closer than the other.
My concern was that Method C has the possibility to evaluate the data at stage 1 with alpha=0.05 if the power was great enough, i.e. without paying any penalty.
I know Helmut prefers Method C and has already convinced the German BfARM

This would also my preferred choice according to the reasoning of Potvin et.al. in their recommendations "Another advantage of method C is that it is designed so that if the study were found to have adequate power at the first stage, the alpha for that study would be the same as if it were designed to be single-stage". Why to pay a penalty for repeated testing, if no repeated tests are applied?
But ... see the comments paper and remember the London EGA symposium (2010) discussion.
Eventually we have to take Guidances here literally to make our sponsors happy? Any experience other then Helmut's?
Regards,
Detlew
Complete thread:
- Potvin method B subtleties d_labes 2011-01-31 14:24 [Two-Stage / GS Designs]
- Potvin method B subtleties jdetlor 2011-02-01 17:17
- Potvin method B subtletiesd_labes 2011-02-02 09:15
- Potvin method B subtleties jdetlor 2011-02-02 16:08
- Potvin method B subtletiesd_labes 2011-02-02 09:15
- Another one ... d_labes 2011-02-07 14:32
- Oops! Helmut 2011-02-07 15:24
- Oops! d_labes 2011-02-07 16:29
- Oops! Helmut 2011-02-07 16:47
- Oops! ElMaestro 2011-02-07 17:06
- Simul'ants in my pants d_labes 2011-02-08 09:07
- Need for speed... ElMaestro 2011-02-13 10:57
- Need for speed... d_labes 2011-02-15 14:06
- Need for speed... ElMaestro 2011-02-15 17:39
- Pocock alpha's d_labes 2011-02-16 09:18
- ElMaestro's brain ElMaestro 2011-02-16 09:32
- ElMaestro's brain d_labes 2011-02-16 10:05
- ElMaestro's brain ElMaestro 2011-02-16 12:07
- Numbers d_labes 2011-02-16 13:45
- ElMaestro's brain ElMaestro 2011-02-16 12:07
- ElMaestro's brain d_labes 2011-02-16 10:05
- ElMaestro's brain ElMaestro 2011-02-16 09:32
- Pocock alpha's d_labes 2011-02-16 09:18
- Need for speed... ElMaestro 2011-02-15 17:39
- Need for speed... d_labes 2011-02-15 14:06
- Need for speed... ElMaestro 2011-02-13 10:57
- Oops! Helmut 2011-02-07 16:47
- Oops! d_labes 2011-02-07 16:29
- Oops! Helmut 2011-02-07 15:24
- Bonus counter-question ElMaestro 2011-02-07 23:44
- Speed is the question d_labes 2011-02-08 08:36
- New paper (method D for PE 0.90) Helmut 2011-04-18 12:58
- New paper (method D for PE 0.90) d_labes 2011-04-19 08:58
- New paper (method D for PE 0.90) Helmut 2011-04-19 14:30
- New paper (method D for PE 0.90) ElMaestro 2011-04-19 14:49
- Stopping criterion # futility rule Helmut 2011-04-19 15:28
- New paper (method D for PE 0.90) d_labes 2011-04-19 08:58
- Potvin method B subtleties jdetlor 2011-02-01 17:17