Reference scaled BE - EMA [RSABE / ABEL]
Dear Dave & all,
THX again for the update!
<nitpicking>
EMA did not give details of the calculation and (for simplicity?) used k=0.760. Actually it's based on the regulatory standardized variation sigma0 (i.e., the limit for HVDs/HVDPs). For CVWR=30% we get sigma0=sqrt[ln(0.3²+1)]=0.293560379... and thetas=k=ln(1.25)/sigma0=0.760128298... Backcalculating from 0.760 one would get a limit for HVDs/HVDPs of 30.005%.
This explains small discrepancies between tables of Tóthfalusi et al. (2009), EMA (2010), and exact values.
In other words, what value would you use? 0.760 because stated as such in the guideline, or the exact value based on CVWR 30%? It's similar to the limit for NTIDs: L=0.9 and U=1/L=1.1... (not 1.1111).
@Dave: For Method A – Direct Expansion of BE limits (outdated in the EU soon, but still applicable in other countries) the limits are L=0.75 and U=1/L=1.3 (not 1.33 as in cell Y10).
THX again for the update!
<nitpicking>
What do you think about the switching condition thetas (aka regulatory constant k)?
</nitpicking>EMA did not give details of the calculation and (for simplicity?) used k=0.760. Actually it's based on the regulatory standardized variation sigma0 (i.e., the limit for HVDs/HVDPs). For CVWR=30% we get sigma0=sqrt[ln(0.3²+1)]=0.293560379... and thetas=k=ln(1.25)/sigma0=0.760128298... Backcalculating from 0.760 one would get a limit for HVDs/HVDPs of 30.005%.

This explains small discrepancies between tables of Tóthfalusi et al. (2009), EMA (2010), and exact values.
Tóthfalusi EMA GL exact
CV (%) L U L U L U
30 80.0 125.0 80.00 125.00 80.00 125.00
35 77.2 129.5 77.23 129.48 77.23 129.49
40 74.6 134.0 74.62 134.02 74.61 134.02
45 72.2 138.6 72.15 138.59 72.15 138.60
50 69.8 143.2 69.84 143.19 69.83 143.20
55 67.7 147.8 like CV 50 % 67.65 147.81
60 65.6 152.4 like CV 50 % 65.61 152.42
In other words, what value would you use? 0.760 because stated as such in the guideline, or the exact value based on CVWR 30%? It's similar to the limit for NTIDs: L=0.9 and U=1/L=1.1... (not 1.1111).
@Dave: For Method A – Direct Expansion of BE limits (outdated in the EU soon, but still applicable in other countries) the limits are L=0.75 and U=1/L=1.3 (not 1.33 as in cell Y10).
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