Power with a Danish twist [Power / Sample Size]
Hi HS,
I actualy meant this as a trick question. As you correctly point out this is, even with advanced and trusted software, not an exact science. While mathematicians may say that a problem (such as power in a BE study) has this and that exact solution and be pointing at some ridiculously complex integrals, many of such problems are solved numerically today. Integration is a typical example, it requires some Al Gore Rhythms which are heavily parameterised. Robustness is all about finding the set of parameters that give a consistent answer, but we can sometimes find condititions where the algorithm fails or miscalculates. The figures above illustrate it. Thus we might ask further: Under which conditions will Software X give me an answer that is 5% wrong? That is one helluva difficult question to answer when exact solutions are not available to compare with.
EM.
❝ Good question. I think we are pushing software to the limits, i.e.,
❝ running into troubles of getting a rasonable value of the noncentral
❝ t-distribution (numeric precision,...).
❝ Fartssie comes up with -0.0278 (!), StudySize 2.01 simply gives up (-,
❝ with 20 subjects/sequence gives 0.421%), and (blah blah blah)
I actualy meant this as a trick question. As you correctly point out this is, even with advanced and trusted software, not an exact science. While mathematicians may say that a problem (such as power in a BE study) has this and that exact solution and be pointing at some ridiculously complex integrals, many of such problems are solved numerically today. Integration is a typical example, it requires some Al Gore Rhythms which are heavily parameterised. Robustness is all about finding the set of parameters that give a consistent answer, but we can sometimes find condititions where the algorithm fails or miscalculates. The figures above illustrate it. Thus we might ask further: Under which conditions will Software X give me an answer that is 5% wrong? That is one helluva difficult question to answer when exact solutions are not available to compare with.
EM.
Complete thread:
- Power with a Danish twist ElMaestro 2009-05-05 19:49 [Power / Sample Size]
- population parameter martin 2009-05-05 21:32
- population parameter ElMaestro 2009-05-05 21:48
- population parameter martin 2009-05-05 22:59
- population parameter ElMaestro 2009-05-05 21:48
- Wrong Question Answer in Danish d_labes 2009-05-08 09:49
- Danish numbers d_labes 2009-05-08 15:53
- Danish numbers ElMaestro 2009-05-08 20:19
- Danish numbers d_labes 2009-05-08 15:53
- Power with a Danish twist Helmut 2009-05-08 13:23
- Power with a Danish twist d_labes 2009-05-08 16:06
- Power with a Danish twist Helmut 2009-05-08 16:15
- Power with a Danish twistElMaestro 2009-05-08 19:40
- Power with a Danish twist d_labes 2009-05-08 16:06
- Power with a Danish twist Helmut 2009-05-08 16:56
- Power with a Danish twist ElMaestro 2009-05-08 19:17
- population parameter martin 2009-05-05 21:32