MIC: in vitro… [PK / PD]
Hi Dshah,
of course, all what you wrote is correct. I performed studies for an originator (new formulation), where t≥MIC* was the only confirmatory PK metric (see also this post). Studies accepted.
However, we must not forget one important point: The MIC is based on in vitro data. Generally we have more than one MIC (dependent on the bacteria / strain). Everybody (myself included) compared the in vivo concentrations of the PK study with the in vitro MIC. That’s not the same thing… Is there a 1:1 relationship? I strongly doubt it.
Can/should we really do that? Well, cough…
BTW, we have a similar mix-up of PK with PD in the so-called “Therapeutic Occupancy Time” based on the misconception that Cmax is directly (‼) related to safety (toxicity) and Cmin to a potential lack of efficacy. See also this post.
of course, all what you wrote is correct. I performed studies for an originator (new formulation), where t≥MIC* was the only confirmatory PK metric (see also this post). Studies accepted.
However, we must not forget one important point: The MIC is based on in vitro data. Generally we have more than one MIC (dependent on the bacteria / strain). Everybody (myself included) compared the in vivo concentrations of the PK study with the in vitro MIC. That’s not the same thing… Is there a 1:1 relationship? I strongly doubt it.
Can/should we really do that? Well, cough…
BTW, we have a similar mix-up of PK with PD in the so-called “Therapeutic Occupancy Time” based on the misconception that Cmax is directly (‼) related to safety (toxicity) and Cmin to a potential lack of efficacy. See also this post.
- t≥MIC, if you don’t mind. T is the SI abbreviation for the absolute temperature and t for time. Hence, tmax, tmin, tlag, t½ as well. Forget what you find in the FDA’s guidances.
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Complete thread:
- Pre-clinical PK/PD Parameters VijithRoy 2020-07-22 07:34 [PK / PD]
- Pre-clinical PK/PD Parameters dshah 2020-07-30 13:09
- MIC: in vitro…Helmut 2020-07-30 13:41
- Pre-clinical PK/PD Parameters VijithRoy 2020-07-31 08:18
- Pre-clinical PK/PD Parameters dshah 2020-07-30 13:09