Confuse-a-Cat [General Sta­tis­tics]

posted by Helmut Homepage – Vienna, Austria, 2020-06-30 14:27 (294 d 22:23 ago) – Posting: # 21620
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Hi ElMaestro,

» I am sorry that I am once again not able to tell what I am looking for :-D.

No, I’m sorry that I’m not able to comprehend your message. As you know, walnut-sized brain.

» I am not talking about simulations and not about transformations either.

OK.

» Two functions, generally, and the key word is really generally, when are they (or their results) to be considered independent?

I think:
» We can think of f=mean(x) and g=median(x). I guess we can easily do a mental picture of plotting means versus medians, often seeing the strong relationship. Visually appealing.

Go back to my script and

med.spl <- aggregate(xs[, 2], list(sample = xs$sample), median)
plot(mean.spl$x, med.spl$x)
cor(mean.spl$x, med.spl$x)


» Independence?

No. Both are measures of the location of the data. IMHO, that would not be suitable to construct a test as stated at the end of this post.

» OK then let us say f=range(x) and g=sine function of the range (x).

:rotfl:

» Or an F statistics with a variance in both f=numerator and g=denominator in an unbalanced anova.

Oh dear!

» Or Cmax and AUCt (which I guess are correlated and dependent(?), …

Correlated, yes. Highly sometimes. In some cases not so much (recall that one). Why? Duno. Though correlation  causation.
Actually there are hidden ([image] confounding) variables – the entire PK stuff – which drives the apparent correlation. So are they dependent even with a high correlation? I would say no. Both depend on the underlying PK.

» … but the example is not great in my perspective since the two functions are not applied to a random sample but to a time series).

Yep.

» There is no end to the possible examples.

Already the ones you mentioned gave me headaches.

» Without debating to much about the specific cases, how do we generally approach it to define two (outcomes of) functions as being independent?

See above. Maybe I’m completely wrong.

» Which mathematical/algebraic/statistical/whatever properties of functions render them mutually independent? When I understand it, I think or hope I will understand the nature of independence.
» For inspiration: Are estimates of any two statistical moments independent? If yes, why? Is it only the first and second? Why? Is it generally so? Why? Etc. I am looking for the general clarity.

Sorry, again.

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