## Now what? w & w* examples [Two-Stage / GS Designs]

❝ Not necessarily good but a “guesstimate”.

❝ ❝ … but in case we observe some unforeseen value we have the possibility to add some extra subjects.

❝ ❝ However, in such a case we could just go with a fixed design and adapt the Power.

❝

❝ I’m not sure what you mean here. In a fixed sample design I would rather work with the upper CL of the CV or – if not available – assume a reasonably higher CV than my original guess rather than fiddling around with power.

❝ ❝ In a TSD setting we typically have no good understanding about the CV... Do I miss something here?

❝ (1) Yep and (2) no.

❝ ❝ Based on what assumptions would we select n1 (= fixed design sample size)? We typically have some range of possible values and we don't know where we will be.

❝ I was just quoting a regulatory statistician (don’t want to out him). Others didn’t contradict him. So likely he wasn’t alone with his point of view.

❝ Very interesting. I expected that the sample size penalty (n_{2}) will be higher if we use a low n_{1}.

❝ If we base n_{1} on the lower end *and* the CV is close to the guesstimate that’s the winner. One the other hand there is a ~56% chance of proceeding to the second stage which is not desirable – and contradicts the concept of a “safety net”. A compromise would be 75% of the fixed sample design.

❝ The pessimistic approach would be crazy.

Best regards,

Ben.

### Complete thread:

- Finally: Exact TSD methods for 2×2 crossover designs Helmut 2018-04-21 17:17 [Two-Stage / GS Designs]
- Exact TSD methods: Example Helmut 2018-04-21 20:33
- Finally: Exact TSD methods for 2×2 crossover designs ElMaestro 2018-04-21 20:49
- Flow chart (without details) Helmut 2018-04-21 21:41
- naive questions regarding new functions in Power2Stage mittyri 2018-04-28 15:54
- Some answers Helmut 2018-04-28 17:29
- Some more "answers" d_labes 2018-04-29 21:11
- clarification regarding user Power2Stage guides mittyri 2018-04-30 13:41

- naive questions regarding new functions in Power2Stage mittyri 2018-04-28 15:54

- Flow chart (without details) Helmut 2018-04-21 21:41
- Technicality: Weigths for the inverse normal approach d_labes 2018-04-25 14:19
- Selection of w and w* Helmut 2018-04-26 09:51
- Selection of w and w* d_labes 2018-04-26 20:02
- Now what? w & w* examples d_labes 2018-05-09 13:53
- Now what? w & w* examples Ben 2018-06-10 20:12
- Now what? w & w* examples Helmut 2018-06-11 13:57
- Now what? w & w* examplesBen 2018-06-12 19:14

- a bug in interim.tsd.in()? mittyri 2018-06-11 23:27
- a bug in interim.tsd.in()? Ben 2018-06-12 19:32
- Nonbinding futility rule d_labes 2018-06-13 16:59
- Bad weather? Helmut 2018-06-13 19:23
- NLYW? d_labes 2018-06-14 10:18

- Nonbinding futility rule Ben 2018-06-13 20:26
- Nonbinding futility rule d_labes 2018-06-14 10:47
- Nonbinding futility rule Ben 2018-06-15 17:58
- Binding / Nonbinding futility rule - alpha control d_labes 2018-06-16 19:42
- Binding / Nonbinding futility rule - alpha control Ben 2019-03-30 09:52

- Binding / Nonbinding futility rule - alpha control d_labes 2018-06-16 19:42

- Nonbinding futility rule Ben 2018-06-15 17:58

- Nonbinding futility rule d_labes 2018-06-14 10:47

- Bad weather? Helmut 2018-06-13 19:23

- Nonbinding futility rule d_labes 2018-06-13 16:59

- a bug in interim.tsd.in()? Ben 2018-06-12 19:32

- Now what? w & w* examples Helmut 2018-06-11 13:57

- Now what? w & w* examples Ben 2018-06-10 20:12

- Selection of w and w* Helmut 2018-04-26 09:51