Which GMR to plug in [Two-Stage / GS Designs]
Hi Yura,
there are not that many people working with these designs. But those who do have all tried to plug in the observed GMR from stage 1 for sample size calculation, rather than 0.95 as in Potvin B & C.
The result is strikingly bad news: The chance that you have a greater departure from 0.95 goes up as sample size in stage 1 goes down, so you easily end up in scenarios where you need 800 subjkects in stage 2 if you apply the observed GMR, and this may happen even if the true GMR is 0.95 or better. Of course you can put a cap on max sample size, but you are punished on power.
Heartbreaking, really!!
As stated before: At a time when you do not know the true GMR very well (such as after the first stage) it is not a particularly good idea to base decisions on it (such as final sample size).
That is why Potvin's method are great for formulations with known and controlled GMR, but not great for new formulations where you don 't know how they match. Two-stage designs are useful for unknown CV's and not much else, at least in the presrnt form.
Pilot trials suffer the exxact same issue. "They are better than nothing" is a sentence I have heard a few times, but it is often not the case. Depending on how you use the info available the info you may well decide wrongly and be punished.
there are not that many people working with these designs. But those who do have all tried to plug in the observed GMR from stage 1 for sample size calculation, rather than 0.95 as in Potvin B & C.
The result is strikingly bad news: The chance that you have a greater departure from 0.95 goes up as sample size in stage 1 goes down, so you easily end up in scenarios where you need 800 subjkects in stage 2 if you apply the observed GMR, and this may happen even if the true GMR is 0.95 or better. Of course you can put a cap on max sample size, but you are punished on power.
Heartbreaking, really!!

As stated before: At a time when you do not know the true GMR very well (such as after the first stage) it is not a particularly good idea to base decisions on it (such as final sample size).
That is why Potvin's method are great for formulations with known and controlled GMR, but not great for new formulations where you don 't know how they match. Two-stage designs are useful for unknown CV's and not much else, at least in the presrnt form.
Pilot trials suffer the exxact same issue. "They are better than nothing" is a sentence I have heard a few times, but it is often not the case. Depending on how you use the info available the info you may well decide wrongly and be punished.
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Pass or fail!
ElMaestro
Pass or fail!
ElMaestro
Complete thread:
- Data for 2nd stage of Potvin’s designs BE-proff 2017-02-18 06:40 [Two-Stage / GS Designs]
- Data for 2nd stage of Potvin’s designs ElMaestro 2017-02-18 10:20
- Data for 2nd stage of Potvin’s designs BE-proff 2017-02-18 13:29
- GMR = fixed! Helmut 2017-02-18 16:23
- Data for 2nd stage of Potvin’s designs BE-proff 2017-02-18 13:29
- “Type 1” slightly higher power than “Type 2” for the same adj. α Helmut 2017-02-18 11:51
- “Type 1” slightly higher power than “Type 2” for the same adj. α BE-proff 2017-02-18 13:31
- Terminology Helmut 2017-02-18 16:27
- Terminology Yura 2017-02-20 11:28
- Which GMR to plug inElMaestro 2017-02-20 11:46
- Which GMR to plug in BE-proff 2017-02-21 11:35
- Which GMR to plug in ElMaestro 2017-02-21 11:47
- Which GMR to plug in BE-proff 2017-02-21 11:35
- Validated frameworks; observed GMR not relevant Helmut 2017-02-22 12:03
- Validated frameworks; observed GMR not relevant Silva 2017-03-09 01:26
- GMR, theta 0 and that all d_labes 2017-03-09 09:21
- GMR, theta 0 and that all Silva 2017-03-09 12:38
- GMR, theta 0 and that all ElMaestro 2017-03-09 12:56
- GMR, theta0 and that all d_labes 2017-03-09 13:55
- GMR, theta0 and that all Silva 2017-03-09 18:01
- GMR, theta 0 and that all Silva 2017-03-09 12:38
- GMR, theta 0 and that all d_labes 2017-03-09 09:21
- Validated frameworks; observed GMR not relevant Silva 2017-03-09 01:26
- Which GMR to plug inElMaestro 2017-02-20 11:46
- Terminology Yura 2017-02-20 11:28
- Terminology Helmut 2017-02-18 16:27
- “Type 1” slightly higher power than “Type 2” for the same adj. α BE-proff 2017-02-21 11:31
- “Type 1” slightly higher power than “Type 2” for the same adj. α BE-proff 2017-02-18 13:31
- Data for 2nd stage of Potvin’s designs ElMaestro 2017-02-18 10:20