This monkey business [Power / Sample Size]
❝ Does FDA (or EMA) really care about the power of a study?
I don’t think so. FDA says “The study should have 80 or 90% power to conclude BE between these two formulations.” – not “must have”. EMA requires only an “appropriate sample size estimation” – whatever this might be. Since lower power translates into higher producer’s risk agencies shouldn’t care (their job is to deal with the patient’s risk). It might be that the IEC/IRB will be reluctant to approve a study given an expected 30% chance of failure. The IEC/IRB is concerned about the safety of subjects in the study – you can only try to convince them. Might be difficult for a drug with a nasty safety profile – which on the other hand is unlikely for an HVD/HVDP.
❝ Example, hypothetically speaking, lets say I set up a study with a sample size of xx (yes n>12) based on a power of 70% and the study passes. Does it matter that my power is less than 80%?
No; a posteriori power is irrelevant. BTW, AFAIK not stated anywhere explicitly IMHO FDA wants at least 24 subjects.
❝ My recent pilot study (3-way partial rep, n=60, withinsubject CV of ref = 55-60%) ended up with a (Highest) ratio of 1.2 and 95% upper confidence limit of -0.12456 ⇒ Tada, it passed BE.
Hhm, why don’t you save the money (or wire somefink to my bank account instead) and submit the pilot study as pivotal evidence of BE? See
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“A pilot study that documents BE can be appropriate, provided its design and execution are suitable and a sufficient number of subjects (e.g., 12) have completed the study.”
❝ We will move to a pivotal study, the formulation will be identical with no potential variabilities (So if there is then it's not my fault!).
Or the GMR and/or CV go loony and jump around between studies. Wouldn’t surprise me with a CV of 60%…
❝ If I follow Endrenyi et al's paper on sample size for HVD then I will be looking at n~200 subjects for a 3-way partial replicate study at 80% power. For a 4-way full replicate study at 80% power, n~120.
Yep. PowerTOST comes up with 201 and 134. I would really forget the partial replicate – both for pilots and pivotal studies. In many cases CVWT < CVWR. If this is the case (but from a partial replicate you don’t get the information) you will be rewarded. Example: 2×2×4 replicate, CVWT=CVWR=60%, n=134. For CVWT 40%, CVWR 60% you need only 100 (~25% less subjects). Try:
sampleN.RSABE(targetpower=0.8, theta0=1.2, CV=c(0.4, 0.6), design="2x2x4", details=F)
❝ Management said no go.
Power. That which statisticians are always calculating
but never have. Stephen Senn
❝ For a compromise I think we should be able to go with n=80. Based on R, with a ratio=1.2 & CV=0.6, the power will be ~70%.
Yessir.
power.RSABE(theta0=1.2, CV=0.6, n=81, design="2x3x3", details=F)
power.RSABE(theta0=1.2, CV=0.6, n=80, design="2x2x4", details=F)
❝ I am curious if the agency would care about this power business...
Me too. I’m not a regulator. Some thoughts above.

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- Minimum sample size for RSABE = 24 (enrolled) Helmut 2013-06-14 15:43
- Minimum sample size for RSABE = 24 (enrolled) jag009 2013-06-14 22:06
- Minimum sample size for RSABE = 24 (enrolled) Helmut 2013-06-14 15:43
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