Bioequivalence and Bioavailability Forum • Variance=0

Variance=0 [RSABE / ABEL]

posted by Helmut – Vienna, Austria, 2013-05-03 18:07 (4431 d 09:30 ago) – Posting: # 10535
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Dear Detlew!

❝ Please note the 'Variance' parameter in case of AUCinf.

… and the negative one obtained in PHX. Seems that SAS’ RLME-engine forces negative values to zero.

❝ See this post to notice that we really need 'Variance'=0 in our model (Type CS is only an approximation to that end, hoping the 'Variance' parameter is fitted with a value near zero).

Ooh – that one. :-D

❝ So we eventually have the optimizer to tell that for AUCt.

I’m not very optimistic whether this is possible in PHX at all; I will ask Pharsight. In PHX for linear mixed effects models the initial estimates are derived by the method of moments:
log AUCt

Starting estimates of variance parameters: csDiag_11 0.00881650 csBlock_11 0.188267 Var(Period*Formulation*Subject)_21 0.0519883 Var(Period*Formulation*Subject)_22 0.0703479

log AUCi

Starting estimates of variance parameters: csDiag_11 -0.00961080 csBlock_11 0.148549 Var(Period*Formulation*Subject)_21 0.0620715 Var(Period*Formulation*Subject)_22 0.0894799

Alternatively one can state initial variances. If I set csDiag_11 (PHX’ terminology) to zero (whilst keeping the others), the optimizer iterates happily around (four iterations instead of two) – only to end up with the same final estimates…

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