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graveendranath ☆ 2009-09-23 11:13 (6105 d 22:44 ago) Posting: # 4235 Views: 10,356 |
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Dear all, We are going to conduct one study using Balaam's design
PeriodUsing these design, can we calculate Intra CV for Reference and Intra CV for Test separately? If yes plz tell me the ANOVA design. Edit: Category changed, reformatted using BBCode. [Helmut] — Rgds Raveendranath |
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Helmut ★★★ ![]() Vienna, Austria, 2009-09-23 14:47 (6105 d 19:10 ago) @ graveendranath Posting: # 4236 Views: 9,003 |
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Dear Raveendranath! ❝ […] Balaam's design […] can we calculate Intra CV for Reference and Intra CV for Test separately? Yes, because you have repeated administrations in the the first two sequences. ❝ If yes plz tell me the ANOVA design. You gave the design already yourself. ![]() I would guess that for FDA and EMEA applications you are on slippery ground (they expect 3- or 4-period replicate designs). On the other hand ANVISA states Balaam’s design in their guideline. Don’t ask me about sample size estimations – no idea… For the evaluation see: S-C Chow and J-p Liu — Dif-tor heh smusma 🖖🏼 Довге життя Україна! ![]() Helmut Schütz ![]() The quality of responses received is directly proportional to the quality of the question asked. 🚮 Science Quotes |
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d_labes ★★★ Berlin, Germany, 2009-09-24 18:13 (6104 d 15:44 ago) @ Helmut Posting: # 4244 Views: 9,158 |
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Dear Helmut, ❝ [...] On the other hand ANVISA states Balaam's design in their guideline. Don't ask me about sample size calculations - no idea… For the sample size calculation have a look into K.-W. Chen, S.-C. Chow and G. Li It comes out that the sample size needed for the Balaam's design is approx. twice that of a common classical 2x2 cross-over. — Regards, Detlew |
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graveendranath ☆ 2009-09-25 14:23 (6103 d 19:34 ago) @ d_labes Posting: # 4250 Views: 8,703 |
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Dear D.Labes, Can you please explain the SAS procedure for ANOVA. I tried with the following procedure. proc glm data=one outstat=tanova;But I didn't get Intra CV for test & Reference separately. Kindly suggest the correct procedure. Edit: Reformatted using BBCode. [Helmut] — Rgds Raveendranath |
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d_labes ★★★ Berlin, Germany, 2009-09-29 16:44 (6099 d 17:13 ago) @ graveendranath Posting: # 4268 Views: 8,732 |
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Dear Raveendranath, ❝ I tried with the following procedure. ❝ ❝ ❝ class trt per seq sub; ❝ [...] ❝ run; ❝ ❝ But I didn't get Intra CV for test & Reference separately. Correct. There is no way to specify different residuals for groups within Proc GLM. This is because all estimates and tests rely not on such different variabilities but only on the pooled error MSE. You have two options:
BTW: My recommended code for Proc GLM is found here. ![]() BTW2: What was the reason that you performed your study according to the Balaam design? Just to cite from the FDA guidance: " ... For the majority of drug products, two-period replicated crossover designs such as the Balaam design (which uses the sequences TR, RT, TT, and RR) should be avoided ...". — Regards, Detlew |
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graveendranath ☆ 2009-09-30 15:59 (6098 d 17:59 ago) @ d_labes Posting: # 4275 Views: 8,556 |
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Dear d_labes, Thank you for your valuable information. — Rgds Raveendranath |
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Helmut ★★★ ![]() Vienna, Austria, 2009-09-25 17:44 (6103 d 16:13 ago) @ d_labes Posting: # 4251 Views: 8,792 |
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Dear Detlew, ❝ ❝ Don't ask me about sample size calculations - no idea... ❝ For the sample size calculation have a look into ❝ K.-W. Chen, S.-C. Chow and G. Li (1997) Oh, thanks for the refresher! ❝ It comes out that the sample size needed for the Balaam's design is approx. twice that of a common classical 2x2 cross-over. Do I miss something here? ![]() For delta -5% (PE 95%), power 80% for the conventional 2×2 design Diletti et al. (1991) give sample sizes of 7 (10% CV), 19 (20%), and 39 (30%), whereas for Balaam’s design* according to Table V of Chen et al. (p 761) sample sizes are given with 20 (CV 10%), 72 (20%), and 156 (30%).
— Dif-tor heh smusma 🖖🏼 Довге життя Україна! ![]() Helmut Schütz ![]() The quality of responses received is directly proportional to the quality of the question asked. 🚮 Science Quotes |
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d_labes ★★★ Berlin, Germany, 2009-09-28 13:58 (6100 d 19:59 ago) @ Helmut Posting: # 4258 Views: 8,641 |
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Dear Helmut, uups, you have caught me red handed! ![]() My statement came from the factor 2 in the sample size formula on page 757, containing the number of subjects per sequence. But I forgot here we have four sequences compared to two of the classical 2x2 cross-over. Lesson learned: Think twice and check ones assumptions before touting it half-cooked to the audience. Sorry. — Regards, Detlew |


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