Shuanghe ★★ Spain, 2025-02-12 01:46 (38 d 21:21 ago) Posting: # 24359 Views: 562 |
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Dear all, A quick question about William design with 4 treatments (well, I guess it's applicable to other number of treatments as well...). I always use the following William design because it's easy to remember due to the symmetry (always ABCD starting from 2 opposite corners).
ABCD The empty center can be AD/DA for row 2 and 3, respectively (or DA/AD). The similar sequences were also discussed in previous posts such as This one This afternoon I was reviewing a protocol from a CRO with unbalanced Latin square design and trying to suggest the balanced William design instead. I suggested the following one. Let's call it X.
ABCD While I was search the literature to support the argument and explain the reason, I came across an explanation which leads to the following sequences. Let's call it Y:
ABDC For 4 treatments as shown in Y, there are 12 pair-wise comparisons:
- AB/BA -> 1 time each Note that each treatment is followed immediately after the another, i.e., there's no period separate them. This makes sense since if A has any effect on B, then the effect should be the greatest when B is followed immediately after A, instead of separated by another period (denoted by ∙) or two, e.g., A∙B, or A∙∙B In comparison, X, the one I always used before gives:
- AB/BA -> 2 times each Yes, there are A∙C/C∙A and B∙D/D∙B 2 times each, A∙∙D/D∙∙A and B∙∙C/C∙∙B 1 time each. So if we only consider 1 treatment appears after another without taking into consideration the period separating them, then both X and Y are equivalent (appear 2 times for each pair-wise comparison). But if we take the separating period between treatment pairs into consideration, X and Y are different, and in my opinion, Y is better. So my question is, is there like a rank among different configurations of William design mentioned in the literature (e.g., one is better than another)? If so, why should we use the inferior one? In such case, X should never be used when the better Y is available. Please let me know your opinions. — All the best, Shuanghe |
BEQool ★ 2025-02-19 12:34 (31 d 10:32 ago) @ Shuanghe Posting: # 24363 Views: 381 |
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Dear Shuanghe, there are only 6 possible designs for Williams design with 4 treatments. Your design X is not one of the 6 possible designs while Y design is. Please see Helmut's post: You can use any of the six designs ADBC|BACD|CBDA|DCAB, ADCB|BCDA|CABD|DBAC, ACDB|BDCA|CBAD|DABC, ACBD|BADC|CDAB|DBCA, ABDC|BCAD|CDBA|DACB, or ABCD|BDAC|CADB|DCBA. What you must not use is the Latin Square ABCD|BCDA|CDAB|DABC. Only from a Williams’ design you can extract balanced pairwise comparisons (see there). BEQool |
mittyri ★★ Russia, 2025-02-19 22:08 (31 d 00:58 ago) @ Shuanghe Posting: # 24364 Views: 353 |
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Hi Shuanghe, BEQool is right. There is indeed a “ranking” in the sense that only certain sequences truly satisfy the balance criteria for a Williams design. In a four‐treatment crossover, there are exactly six acceptable Williams designs that guarantee each treatment immediately follows every other treatment exactly once. Your design Y is one of those six, whereas design X is not. Take a look at the excellent article prepared by Helmut regarding Higher-Order Crossover Designs, especially at Acknowledgment section ![]() Design Y is generally considered superior to Design X when the primary concern is the first-order carryover effect (the direct influence of one treatment on the immediately following treatment). Design Y ensures that every treatment follows every other treatment exactly once. This provides the most balanced estimate of first-order carryover effects. It allows you to estimate the direct carryover effect of A on B, B on A, A on C, C on A, etc., with equal precision. — Kind regards, Mittyri |
vezz ☆ Erba (CO), Italy, 2025-02-20 15:23 (30 d 07:43 ago) @ mittyri Posting: # 24368 Views: 324 |
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Hi all, in my opinion any potential carry-over effect must be avoided by planning a sufficiently long washout between treatment periods. No statistical method can adequately adjust for a carry-over effect unless very strong assumptions about its impact are made. If appropriate measures are taken to prevent carry-over effects, I see no reason to favor a Williams design over any other Latin square design. — Kind regards, Stefano |
Shuanghe ★★ Spain, 2025-02-23 12:47 (27 d 10:19 ago) @ mittyri Posting: # 24373 Views: 295 |
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Many thanks, BEQool and Myttyri. ❝ there are only 6 possible designs for Williams design with 4 treatments. ❝ Your design X is not one of the 6 possible designs while Y design is. ❝ Please see Helmut's post: It seems that I wrongly remembered that there would be more than 20 combinations for 4-treatment William Design. The link BEQool mentioned is from 2023, and I only remember the older post in 2022 mentioned in my previous post... ![]() ❝ Take a look at the excellent article prepared by Helmut regarding Higher-Order Crossover Designs, especially at Acknowledgment section Oh, haven't read that one yet, but just peeked at the section you mentioned ... my my! ![]() — All the best, Shuanghe |