Sereng ☆ USA, 2023-03-13 18:08 (11 d 10:32 ago) Posting: # 23494 Views: 434 |
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Dear colleagues, my associate is using the term "full replicate" to describe a four-way crossover BE study of Test (Fed), Test (Fasted), Reference (Fed) and Reference (Fasted), with each treatment given only once. In my view, this is not an appropriate us of the term "full replicate" but I want to be certain. Additionally, what is the appropriate term, "Full Replicate" or "Fully Replicate"? Regards — Biostatistically Challenged CEO |
Mahmoud ★ Jordan, 2023-03-13 21:27 (11 d 07:13 ago) @ Sereng Posting: # 23495 Views: 398 |
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Dear Sir ========= You can use the following design 1 B-A-C-D-A-C 2 A-D-B-C-C-A 3 D-C-A-A-B-C 4 C-A-D-C-A-B 5 A-C-C-B-D-A 6 C-B-A-A-C-D SABE for fast and food accepted by FDA Six period with six sequences B= Test under fast A= Ref under fast D= Test under fed C= Ref under fed |
Sereng ☆ USA, 2023-03-14 00:38 (11 d 04:02 ago) @ Mahmoud Posting: # 23496 Views: 381 |
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Hi Mahmoud, thank you for your response. I think you may have misunderstood my question. I have always understood a "full replicate" design to be one where each treatment condition is repeated twice. Therefore, if the Test was being compared with Reference in the fasted state, a full replicate would involve giving both the Test and Reference on two occasions. Is this correct? Furthermore, calling a four-way fed fasted crossover study (Test Fed & Fasted, and Ref Fed & fasted), each given once a Full Replicate study would be wrong. is this correct? — Biostatistically Challenged CEO |
Mahmoud ★ Jordan, 2023-03-14 09:44 (10 d 18:56 ago) @ Sereng Posting: # 23497 Views: 375 |
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Dear Sir ======= If you neeed to genrate two studies fed and fast separately you can use the following design sequence 1 TRRT sequence 2 RTTR but the best to do only one study for fed and fast with six sequence and six period |
Brus ☆ Spain, 2023-03-14 11:10 (10 d 17:30 ago) @ Sereng Posting: # 23498 Views: 345 |
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Dear Sereng, From my understanding, this is not a replicate study. 4-ways is not always a replicate. There can be 4 periods but with 4 different formulations, or in different administration conditions, and in those cases it would not be a "full replicate". In your case, according to my humble opinion it is not a "full replicate" since they are administered in different conditions (fast VS fed). In your case, I think it would be more accurate to call it "4-ways food effects". At least in our own previous experiences, this is the way we have approached it. Best regards, |
Helmut ★★★ ![]() ![]() Vienna, Austria, 2023-03-14 11:37 (10 d 17:03 ago) @ Sereng Posting: # 23499 Views: 352 |
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Hi Sereng, ❝ … my associate is using the term "full replicate" to describe a four-way crossover BE study of Test (Fed), Test (Fasted), Reference (Fed) and Reference (Fasted), with each treatment given only once. In my view, this is not an appropriate us of the term "full replicate" but I want to be certain. You are right. For some of the designs see the vignette of the R package replicateBE .For the named food-interaction study you have three options. Primarily you are interested to demonstrate BE in fasted and fed state. The assessment of food effects of test and reference is just ‘nice to know’.
Whilst #2 is popular, there are drawbacks. If variabilities in fasted and fed state are different (commonly fed > fasted), you have to base the sample size on the worst case. #3 is for the courageous ones (though all of my studies were accepted by European agencies ![]() ❝ Additionally, what is the appropriate term, "Full Replicate" or "Fully Replicate"? You can either say “full replicate design” or “fully replicated design”. In the former term you use an adjective and in the latter adverbs. — Dif-tor heh smusma 🖖🏼 Довге життя Україна! ![]() Helmut Schütz ![]() The quality of responses received is directly proportional to the quality of the question asked. 🚮 Science Quotes |
Sereng ☆ USA, 2023-03-14 21:08 (10 d 07:31 ago) @ Helmut Posting: # 23500 Views: 314 |
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Hi Helmut, you are a Godsend! BTW, have you considered monetizing this site, even if it is for a modest one-time or annual subscription fee? This could also help you with resource allocation. Just a thought...... Regards — Biostatistically Challenged CEO |
Relaxation ★ Germany, 2023-03-20 09:56 (4 d 18:44 ago) @ Helmut Posting: # 23506 Views: 169 |
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Hi everybody and sorry for posting this additional question late. But I cannot get to a clear answer by myself. Helmut, you stated ❝ What you must not use is the Latin Square ABCD|BCDA|CDAB|DABC. Only from a Williams’ design you can extract balanced pairwise comparisons I somehow fail to see why the extracted "pairs" are not considered balanced. They are not balanced for carry-over (which was always the most important reason for Williams), but aren't they for period and sequence? Is this what you mean here? I have no idea how to make it fancy, so I will try an ASCII-style Sequence | Treatments | IBD for A vs B 1 | ABCD | AB.. 2 | DABC | .AB. 3 | CDAB | ..AB 4 | BCDA | B..A So A is present once in each sequence and period and the same for B. Best regards, Relaxation. |