Achievwin ★★ US, 2022-09-07 20:22 (819 d 05:51 ago) Posting: # 23275 Views: 4,264 |
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Colleagues: Somewhere in the Bioequivalence guidance I remembered that when designing the studies we try to keep T/R potency +/-5%. Can someone point out where this kind of condition existed, (latest guidance has no mention of this) Thanks in advance for your guidance, |
Helmut ★★★ Vienna, Austria, 2022-09-07 20:55 (819 d 05:18 ago) @ Achievwin Posting: # 23276 Views: 3,680 |
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Hi Achievwin, ❝ Somewhere in the Bioequivalence guidance I remembered that when designing the studies we try to keep T/R potency +/-5%. Can someone point out where this kind of condition existed, (latest guidance has no mention of this)
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Achievwin ★★ US, 2022-09-07 22:50 (819 d 03:23 ago) @ Helmut Posting: # 23277 Views: 3,592 |
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❝ ❝ Somewhere in the Bioequivalence guidance I remembered that when designing the studies we try to keep T/R potency +/-5%. Can someone point out where this kind of condition existed, (latest guidance has no mention of this) ❝ ❝ – AFAIK, it was never stated by the FDA in any guidance. It was there in 2001 guidance as desired requirement-not mandatory... problem is that I can not find that 2001 (first) BE/BA guidance I can not find that 2001 (first) BE/BA guidance. Also in 2021 guidance lines 807-808 |
jag009 ★★★ NJ, 2022-09-08 21:54 (818 d 04:19 ago) @ Achievwin Posting: # 23281 Views: 3,562 |
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❝ It was there in 2001 guidance as desired requirement-not mandatory... problem is that I can not find that 2001 (first) BE/BA guidance ❝ I can not find that 2001 (first) BE/BA guidance. Also in 2021 guidance lines 807-808 Correct the "should be within 5%" does exist in the FDA guidance (not the BE guidance for individual products). I was asked to provide the info last yr in a meeting... John |
dshah ★★ India, 2022-09-09 12:48 (817 d 13:25 ago) @ Achievwin Posting: # 23282 Views: 3,544 |
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Hi Achievwin! Unlike Health Canada, there is no provision for potency correction in FDA. So if the difference is more, there is higher probability to find difference in PK parameters for treatments, which ultimately affects BE outcome. It's best to have less difference in Assay of Test and Reference for any BE study. Regards, Divyen |
Helmut ★★★ Vienna, Austria, 2022-09-09 14:13 (817 d 12:00 ago) @ dshah Posting: # 23283 Views: 3,574 |
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Hi Divyen, ❝ Unlike Health Canada,… Here you err. A potency correction (additionally to the uncorrected analysis) was mandatory since 1992 (Section 8 e). However, it’s gone since June 2018. — Dif-tor heh smusma 🖖🏼 Довге життя Україна! Helmut Schütz The quality of responses received is directly proportional to the quality of the question asked. 🚮 Science Quotes |
Achievwin ★★ US, 2022-09-09 16:56 (817 d 09:17 ago) @ dshah Posting: # 23284 Views: 3,476 |
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Hi Divyen! ❝ So if the difference is more, there is higher probability to find difference in PK parameters for treatments, which ultimately affects BE outcome. It is not about potency correction, it is about controlling errors wherever possible and designing rationale BE study design. BE studies are meant to detect minor formulation differences, therefore it is better to keep T/R <5% (just compare acceptable variabilities we observe in pharmaceutical dosage form analysis and PK parameters) to improve your BE success probability. I believe I heard (in the 2000 BE workshop) rationale for this 5% difference is to accomodate aging differences (time of manufacture to time of dosing) between Test and RLD (usually RLD is older than Test and also assay variabilities (Damn: everyone blames poor analytical chemist ). Let us say the ratio is 110% you are already at the top of the limit+ combined with variability associated with Bioanalytical, between subjects and other factors you are shooting for failure (unless luck is on your side). This is my side of the story |
Helmut ★★★ Vienna, Austria, 2022-09-09 19:08 (817 d 07:05 ago) @ Achievwin Posting: # 23286 Views: 3,528 |
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Hi Achievwin, ❝ It is not about potency correction, it is about controlling errors wherever possible … Agree. ❝ I believe I heard (in the 2000 BE workshop) rationale for this 5% difference is to accomodate aging differences (time of manufacture to time of dosing) between Test and RLD (usually RLD is older than Test … Which workshop? Let’s compile what we have:
❝ … and also assay variabilities (Damn: everyone blames poor analytical chemist ). That’s the point. What are the batch release spec’s? Generally ±10% and for NTIDs ±5%. Of course, you don’t get a CoA from the originator. Analyzing the reference with the method validated for the test is not a problem for IR. Little bit more tricky for MR. A nightmare for creams and ointments with their fantastic emulsifiers. You never can’t be sure. Yes, analytical (in)accuracy and (im)precision hits … Say, you have a great routine method with 2% and you measure a potency 100% for T and R. What are the true values? Can be <100% for T and >100% for R. That’s why in sample size estimation one should never (ever!) assume a T/R-ratio of 1. In :
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dshah ★★ India, 2022-09-09 19:42 (817 d 06:31 ago) @ Achievwin Posting: # 23287 Views: 3,463 |
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Hi Achievwin! Just trying to be simple, lets assume a T/R ratio of 90-111.1%. Based on your spec, assay limit can be +/- 10%. The assay of test for assumption is 95% and Ref is 105%. With such scenario, it can be assumed that your T/R ratio can be on lower side and vice versa. But if assay of test is 98% and ref is 102% (difference is LT 5%), the 90% CI limit can have higher probability be tighter than the previous case. The ageing impact can vary with drug product, and thus it should be considered on case by case basis. The overages (for e.g. Vitamins) can also be a challenge in such scenario. Meeting your target for exact assay can be challenging in manufacturing where loss is observed resulting in to lower assay. Thank you Helmut for the point in Health Canada. Regards, Divyen |