Bebac user ☆ Egypt, 2022-01-23 11:55 (993 d 17:55 ago) Posting: # 22738 Views: 3,304 |
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How can I calculate the intrasubject variability (CV) after my study was done ? Using MSE or (POE, U, L) ? I tried to compare them for Partially replicated study: CV for Cmax by MSE = 51.59% CV for Cmax by (POE, U, L) = 43.27% So, which one is the correct ? |
ElMaestro ★★★ Denmark, 2022-01-23 13:24 (993 d 16:26 ago) @ Bebac user Posting: # 22739 Views: 2,812 |
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Hi Bebac_user, ❝ How can I calculate the intrasubject variability (CV) after my study was done ? ❝ Using MSE or (POE, U, L) ? Both should work and both will give the same result within the meaning of rounding. ❝ I tried to compare them for Partially replicated study: ❝ CV for Cmax by MSE = 51.59% ❝ CV for Cmax by (POE, U, L) = 43.27% ❝ So, which one is the correct ? Well, I think you may have made a tiny mistake somewhere since you did not get the same result. But I can't tell from your post where the hickup is. Probably the MSE is the most direct method for getting a CV, but if the design was semirepl. then the intrasubject var. associated with ref might not have come from an MSE. It really depends on the steps you took. The devil is in the detail. So kindly provide more of it — Pass or fail! ElMaestro |
Helmut ★★★ Vienna, Austria, 2022-01-23 14:12 (993 d 15:38 ago) @ Bebac user Posting: # 22740 Views: 2,882 |
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Hi Bebac user, ❝ How can I calculate the intrasubject variability (CV) after my study was done ? ❝ Using MSE or (POE, U, L) ? ❝ ❝ I tried to compare them for Partially replicated study: ❝ CV for Cmax by MSE = 51.59% ❝ CV for Cmax by (POE, U, L) = 43.27% ❝ So, which one is the correct ? It depends on what you want and what for. From the ANOVA of replicate designs (partial and full) you get the with-subject \(\small{CV_\textrm{w}}\) by $$\small{CV_\textrm{w}=\sqrt{\exp(MSE)-1}}\tag{1}$$ To get the pooled \(\small{CV_\textrm{w}}\) from \(\small{CV_\textrm{wT}}\) and \(\small{CV_\textrm{wR}}\) you have to convert them to their associated variances $$\small{\begin{matrix}\tag{2} s_\textrm{wT}^2=\log_{e}(CV_\textrm{wT}^2+1)\\ s_\textrm{wR}^2=\log_{e}(CV_\textrm{wR}^2+1) \end{matrix}}$$ calculated their mean $$\small{s_\textrm{w}^2=(s_\textrm{wT}^2+s_\textrm{wR}^2)/2}\tag{3}$$ and back-transform to the \(\small{CV_\textrm{w}}\) $$\small{CV_\textrm{w}= \sqrt{\exp(s_\textrm{w}^2)-1}}\tag{4}$$ This is exact only in a full replicate design because in a partial replicate \(\small{CV_\textrm{wT}}\) is unknown. \(\small{CV_\textrm{w}}\) obtained by \(\small{(4)}\) is identical to the one obtained by \(\small{(1)}\) only if sequences are balanced. Let’s try that:
Let’s remove the first subject from the data set and see what happens.
What about an imbalanced and incomplete (periods missing) full replicate design?
Conclusion: If you have the ANOVA and are interested in \(\small{CV_\textrm{w}}\), use \(\small{(1)}\). — Dif-tor heh smusma 🖖🏼 Довге життя Україна! Helmut Schütz The quality of responses received is directly proportional to the quality of the question asked. 🚮 Science Quotes |
Bebac user ☆ Egypt, 2022-01-23 15:03 (993 d 14:47 ago) @ Helmut Posting: # 22741 Views: 2,773 |
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Thank you my role model for this pretty answer. |
Helmut ★★★ Vienna, Austria, 2022-01-23 15:16 (993 d 14:34 ago) @ Bebac user Posting: # 22742 Views: 2,849 |
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Hi Bebac user, ❝ Thank you my role model … Well. On my way from قنا to سفاجا in August 1979. Note the speargun attached to my backpack. Was before I got my first diving certification. ❝ … for this pretty answer. Welcome! — Dif-tor heh smusma 🖖🏼 Довге життя Україна! Helmut Schütz The quality of responses received is directly proportional to the quality of the question asked. 🚮 Science Quotes |
Bebac user ☆ Egypt, 2022-01-23 21:47 (993 d 08:03 ago) @ Helmut Posting: # 22746 Views: 2,778 |
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dshah ★★ India, 2022-01-24 11:53 (992 d 17:57 ago) @ Bebac user Posting: # 22748 Views: 2,826 |
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Dear Bebac User! You can try FARTSSIE to calculate ISCV. Regards, Dshah |