Rock
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India,
2019-10-16 13:38
(550 d 00:30 ago)

Posting: # 20691
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## Emesis criteria for study comparing IR vs. MR formulations [Study Per­for­mance]

In a study comparing Test (Immediate Release) vs. Reference (Modified Release) formulations, on which formulations the withdrawal criteria on emesis should be based and why?

Helmut
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Vienna, Austria,
2019-10-16 13:53
(550 d 00:15 ago)

@ Rock
Posting: # 20692
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## Emesis criteria for study comparing IR vs. MR formulations

Hi Rock,

» In a study comparing Test (Immediate Release) vs. Reference (Modified Release) formulations, on which formulations the withdrawal criteria on emesis should be based …

For the IR formulation most people opt at two times the median tmax.
For the MR formulation the entire intended dosing interval.

» … and why?

IR: That’s the inflection point of the profile where absorption is essentially (98.44%) complete.
MR: Since you likely are facing flip-flop PK (where the late part of the profile represents absorption). Hence, for o.a.d. 24 hours, for b.i.d. 12 hours (even if you administered it only once).

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2019-10-16 15:22
(549 d 22:46 ago)

@ Helmut
Posting: # 20694
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## Emesis criteria for study comparing IR vs. MR formulations

» MR: Since you likely are facing flip-flop PK (where the late part of the profile represents absorption).

...which is "very conservative", to say the least (and stay politicialy correct....)

btw. since when do you load scripts from cloudf**k for the forum? Don't like...

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Helmut
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Vienna, Austria,
2019-10-16 17:24
(549 d 20:44 ago)

@ nobody
Posting: # 20695
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## Almost OT

Hi nobody,

» » MR: Since you likely are facing flip-flop PK...
»
» ...which is "very conservative", to say the least (and stay politicialy correct....)

As usual: Know the drug, know your formulation.

» btw. since when do you load scripts from cloudf**k for the forum? Don't like...

Since I implemented MathJax to render a couple of months ago. It was a wish of other members for years. That's the same open source script base which is used in R's documentation and Wikipaedia. I could keep a local copy on my server but then
• I would have to check for updates regulary,
• pages would render slower than from the cloud, and
• I have to pay for more traffic.
If you don't like it, block JavaScript and practice reading plain .

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2019-10-16 18:41
(549 d 19:27 ago)

@ Helmut
Posting: # 20696
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## Almost OT

» » btw. since when do you load scripts from cloudf**k for the forum? Don't like...
»
» Since I implemented MathJax to render a couple of months ago. It was a wish of other members for years. That's the same open source script base which is used in R's documentation and Wikipaedia. I could keep a local copy on my server but then
• I would have to check for updates regulary,
»
• pages would render slower than from the cloud, and
»
• I have to pay for more traffic.
If you don't like it, block JavaScript and practice reading plain .

OK, thanks for reply, script blocking remains ON, until absolutely necessary...

Kindest regards, nobody
Helmut
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Vienna, Austria,
2019-10-16 19:02
(549 d 19:06 ago)

@ nobody
Posting: # 20697
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## Completely OT

Hi nobody,

» OK, thanks for reply, script blocking remains ON, until absolutely necessary...

Sure, why not? Try this one. There is one difference to the implementation in Wikipaedia. If JS is not active, WP serves GIFs with the -code in the alt-attribute of the <img> tag (for people who switched off graphis or rely on screen-readers). Would need a hell of coding here.

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mittyri
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Russia,
2019-10-17 00:01
(549 d 14:07 ago)

@ Helmut
Posting: # 20698
Views: 2,555

## median Tmax

Hi Helmut,

» For the IR formulation most people opt at two times the median tmax.

that's right, but in such case the PK scientist should know the median before the analysis starts, should he? Or to exclude the subject after PK analysis, when the median is calculated? Or should he use the published median Tmax?

Kind regards,
Mittyri
Helmut
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Vienna, Austria,
2019-10-17 08:42
(549 d 05:26 ago)

@ mittyri
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## median Tmax

Hi mittyri,

» […] use the published median Tmax?

Yep – should be given in the SmPC/label. The exclusion should be done by the PI (or a sub-investigator). Sometimes I find statements like “the decision will be done by the pharmacokineticist after discussion with the sponsor” in protocols. Fishy.

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jag009
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NJ,
2019-10-22 21:26
(543 d 16:42 ago)

@ mittyri
Posting: # 20713
Views: 2,339

## median Tmax

Hi,

» that's right, but in such case the PK scientist should know the median before the analysis starts, should he? Or to exclude the subject after PK analysis, when the median is calculated? Or should he use the published median Tmax?

You referring to reference? If so its usually stated in the protocol (usually).

J