ElMaestro ★★★ Denmark, 2019-10-11 12:25 (1889 d 00:05 ago) Posting: # 20683 Views: 6,792 |
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Hi all, I remember having heard EU regulators mention preference for method C out of consideration for the type I error. But I can't seem to find a presentation from anyone saying so. Do you know, do one of you experts have a link or a presentation by a regulator where this was stated? Many thanks. — Pass or fail! ElMaestro |
Helmut ★★★ Vienna, Austria, 2019-10-11 13:52 (1888 d 22:38 ago) @ ElMaestro Posting: # 20684 Views: 6,255 |
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Hi ElMaestro, ❝ I remember having heard EU regulators mention preference for method C out of consideration for the type I error. What? Where? ❝ But I can't seem to find a presentation from anyone saying so. Would surprise me if there is any. ❝ Do you […] have a link or a presentation by a regulator where this was stated? Nope. The collaborative work about the type I error was removed from the work plan last year (Paola Coppola’s presentation at BioBridges 2018): No work plans published this year for both parties due to Brexit. However, there is an unequivocal preference towards methods demonstrating analytically strict control of the TIE.1,2,3 In my experience European regulatory statisticians hate simulation-based methods. On Wednesday’s workshop I endured a frustrating chat with a statistician of the Austrian agency AGES. Collection of errors and misconceptions:
Yesterday I sent a clarification
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nobody nothing 2019-10-11 19:39 (1888 d 16:51 ago) @ Helmut Posting: # 20685 Views: 6,005 |
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Welcome to the wonderful world of alternative facts eeerh... scientific discussion, I meant. Just a matter of days a we start discussions on whether it's raining outside or not. btw. any slide show of this bio19 event for non-participants? — Kindest regards, nobody |
Helmut ★★★ Vienna, Austria, 2019-10-11 19:47 (1888 d 16:43 ago) @ nobody Posting: # 20686 Views: 6,003 |
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Hi nobody, ❝ Just a matter of days a we start discussions on whether it's raining outside or not. Did you need an umbrella afterwards? ❝ btw. any slide show of this bio19 event for non-participants? They will, once we get all permissions (almost ready). Archive of last year’s presentations here. — Dif-tor heh smusma 🖖🏼 Довге життя Україна! Helmut Schütz The quality of responses received is directly proportional to the quality of the question asked. 🚮 Science Quotes |
ElMaestro ★★★ Denmark, 2019-10-11 20:01 (1888 d 16:29 ago) @ Helmut Posting: # 20687 Views: 5,945 |
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Hi both, ❝ They will, once we get all permissions (almost ready). Archive of last year’s presentations here. Note Paola Coppola's presentation, slide 32. I had a wtf moment of sorts when she presented that. Suspended does not mean the parties who suspended it do not think it is important, don't let that detail fool you. — Pass or fail! ElMaestro |
nobody nothing 2019-10-11 20:08 (1888 d 16:22 ago) @ ElMaestro Posting: # 20688 Views: 5,988 |
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...last year stuff I binge-watched one evening last year — Kindest regards, nobody |
Helmut ★★★ Vienna, Austria, 2019-10-11 20:11 (1888 d 16:19 ago) @ ElMaestro Posting: # 20689 Views: 5,936 |
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Hi ElMaestro, ❝ Suspended does not mean the parties who suspended it do not think it is important, don't let that detail fool you. Old believes die hard. It was on the work plan since 2015. In order to seriously assess the methods they would have to run own simulations which makes them . I don’t expect that we will ever see sumfink. — Dif-tor heh smusma 🖖🏼 Довге життя Україна! Helmut Schütz The quality of responses received is directly proportional to the quality of the question asked. 🚮 Science Quotes |
Helmut ★★★ Vienna, Austria, 2019-10-19 14:38 (1880 d 21:52 ago) @ ElMaestro Posting: # 20705 Views: 5,987 |
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Hi ElMaestro & all, an update: Yesterday at the 4th Biosimilars Forum a participant asked whether simulation-based methods (control of the type I error in a sufficiently high number of simulations, i.e., 1 mio in each cell of a narrow grid of n1/CV combinations) are acceptable. Andreas Brandt (BfArM and observer at the BSWP) answered “No.” Was also the opinion of Stephan Lehr (Austrian agency AGES). Later Andreas said that such methods might be acceptable if no alternative which shows analytically control of the TIE is available. That means for crossover designs all simulation-based methods are essentially dead – go with Ref.#3 of this post (which is implemented in Power2Stage ) instead.Then I summarized my experiences in three scientific advices about parallel designs. Tricky cause (a) exact methods don’t exist and (b) simulations have to cover a wide range of unequal group sizes and unequal variances. My simulations (‘Type 1’ TSD) covered nG1=nG2=124–250 (step size 2), CV 0.24–1.0 (step size 0.02), T/R-ratio 0.90, target power 80% = 1 mio sim’s in each of the 2,496 cells. On top of that extreme scenarios with heteroscedasticity (CV-ratios 1:4 to 4:1), each for equal and unequal group sizes (increasing dropout-rates up to ~50% in one group). Overall ~2.82 billion (!) simulations. With an adjusted α 0.0274 the maximum TIE was 0.04987. In the ‘scientific’ advices regulatory statisticians told me that it is not acceptable and claimed that exact methods exist. I asked them for publications but never received an answer. Was also the opinion of Andreas, Stephan, and Júlia Singer. Sorry folks, mixed up non-inferiority (where repeated confidence intervals are available indeed) with equivalence (nada). Júlia promised to send me one. IMHO, would be a big surprise.* Then Andreas meant – smiling – that if nothing is published, there might still exist ones (absence of evidence is not evidence of absence). Splendid, very helpful. A mathematician is a blind man in a dark room looking for a black cat which isn’t there. attributed to Charles Darwin
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mittyri ★★ Russia, 2019-10-20 01:24 (1880 d 11:06 ago) @ Helmut Posting: # 20707 Views: 5,727 |
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Hi Helmut, ❝ an update: Yesterday at the 4th Biosimilars Forum a participant asked whether simulation-based methods (control of the type I error in a sufficiently high number of simulations, i.e., 1 mio in each cell of a narrow grid of n1/CV combinations) are acceptable. Andreas Brandt (BfArM and observer at the BSWP) answered “No.” sad story BTW: in your lecture you suggested to adjust the CIs for ABEL due to TIE inflation. Is that also dead? Does it mean that you cannot prove anything using sims?? — Kind regards, Mittyri |
Helmut ★★★ Vienna, Austria, 2019-10-20 15:58 (1879 d 20:32 ago) @ mittyri Posting: # 20708 Views: 5,715 |
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Hi mittyri, ❝ sad story “So sad!” (© Mr. Trump) ❝ BTW: in your lecture you suggested to adjust the CIs for ABEL due to TIE inflation. Is that also dead? ❝ Does it mean that you cannot prove anything using sims?? I hope not. For all reference-scaling methods we need already simulations to estimate the sample size. It would be strange to allow them here but not for the TIE. RSABE/ABEL is tricky anyhow. The model is based on (population) parameters $$-\theta_s\leq\tfrac{\mu_T-\mu_R}{\sigma_{wR}}\leq+\theta_s$$ which are unknown. We have only their estimates. Exactly this misspecification (apply scaling although the drug is not highly variable) leads to the inflated TIE. As I wrote above, Andreas Brandt said that “[simulation-based] methods might [sic] be acceptable if no alternative which shows analytically control of the TIE is available”. Clearly the case here. In the current implementation reference-scaling is a framework with two (RSABE) and three (ABEL) decisions. No way to solve that analytically (given, at least the GMR-restriction could be implemented by setting α 0.5).Our method2 follows the ‘spirit’ of the GL, i.e., we assume that \(s_{wR}=\sigma_{wR}\). Molins et al.2 proposed to assume the worst, i.e., regardless of \(s_{wR}\) adjust α as if \(CV_{wR}=0.30\). Conservative but it has a substantial negative impact on power (esp. for really high variability where an inflated TIE is unlikely). For examples see the RSABE vignette of the working version of the next release of PowerTOST and R-code at the end. See also this article.What is better? Rely on the ad hoc solutions (which are not perfect) or follow the book, ignore the inflation and put the patients in jeopardy?
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