MCELESTINO
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Mexico,
2019-01-03 22:05
(edited by mittyri on 2019-01-05 02:33)

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 power_TOST vs. statistical power of the ANOVA [Power / Sample Size]

In the results it is also evident that the post-hoc statistical power (power_TOST) is less than 80%, this is because the estimated point is greater than 105%, considering that the sample size was estimated expecting a difference less than / equal to 5%. However, the statistical power of the ANOVA (Power_80_20) supports that the sample size used in the study was adequate, since the values ​​are greater than 90%.

This is true?


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mittyri
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Russia,
2019-01-04 00:24

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 Power_80_20

Hi,

» In the results it is also evident that the post-hoc statistical power (power_TOST) is less than 80%, this is because the estimated point is greater than 105%, considering that the sample size was estimated expecting a difference less than / equal to 5%.

There are 3 basic factors in power calc: sample size, CV and PE. In post-hoc analysis sample size is fixed, but do not forget about CV! So the conclusion is valid if CV is equal or less than expected

» However, the statistical power of the ANOVA (Power_80_20) supports that the sample size used in the study was adequate, since the values ​​are greater than 90%.

:-D I think it should go to the trash bin. That's a conclusion based on WNL output, right?
See this old thread
That 'magick power' is not a power of ANOVA (whenever it could be) but the result of equality test using delta = 20%. That test has much more power than PowerTOST, thus, the value is higher than the previous one.
You cannot assess the sample size using that test.

Kind regards,
Mittyri
MCELESTINO
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Mexico,
2019-01-04 19:18
(edited by mittyri on 2019-01-05 02:36)

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 Power_80_20

Hi,

» There are 3 basic factors in power calc: sample size, CV and PE. In post-hoc analysis sample size is fixed, but do not forget about CV! So the conclusion is valid if CV is equal or less than expected

If CV is higher than expected,
What is the conclusion?

Thanks
Regards



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ElMaestro
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Belgium?,
2019-01-04 21:39

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 Power_80_20

Hello McElestino,

» If CV is higher than expected,
» What is the conclusion?

That is your conclusion. Or parts of it.

I could be wrong, but...
Best regards,
ElMaestro
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