valivetiananth ☆ India, 2018-05-31 15:49 (2483 d 09:52 ago) Posting: # 18832 Views: 9,597 |
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Dear All, Greetings!!! We have conducted a pivotal study for Europe with 48 subjects considering ~80% power, ISCV: 23%. The study was bioequivalent and 90% CI is within 80-125 for both Cmax & AUCt. Power of Cmax and AUCt are 92% & 66% respectively. Kindly guide us how to justify the power less than 80% to HA. Thanks Valiveti |
Helmut ★★★ ![]() ![]() Vienna, Austria, 2018-05-31 16:45 (2483 d 08:56 ago) @ valivetiananth Posting: # 18833 Views: 8,547 |
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Hi Valiveti, ❝ We have conducted a pivotal study for Europe with 48 subjects considering ~80% power, ISCV: 23%. So you were assuming a GMR of 90%, right? ❝ The study was bioequivalent and 90% CI is within 80-125 for both Cmax & AUCt. Congratulations! ❝ Power of Cmax and AUCt are 92% & 66% respectively. In this order? Can you give us their CVs and GMRs? ❝ Kindly guide us how to justify the power less than 80% to HA. There is absolutely nothing to justify! Post hoc power is irrelevant. I strongly recommend to revise your SOPs covering the statistical / clinical report (i.e., don’t give this stupid value at all). If a European assessor demands it (extremely unlikely!), ask where post hoc power is required in any of the current guidelines and suggest in a polite way to browse through my lectures (e.g., this pretty old one) or to attend training in basic biostatistics. There are no routine statistical questions, only questionable statistical routines. David R. Cox — Dif-tor heh smusma 🖖🏼 Довге життя Україна! ![]() Helmut Schütz ![]() The quality of responses received is directly proportional to the quality of the question asked. 🚮 Science Quotes |
ElMaestro ★★★ Denmark, 2018-05-31 17:43 (2483 d 07:58 ago) @ Helmut Posting: # 18834 Views: 8,497 |
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Hi Hötzi, ❝ If a European assessor demands it (extremely unlikely!), ask where post hoc power is required in any of the current guidelines and suggest in a polite way to browse through my lectures (e.g., this pretty old one) or to attend training in basic biostatistics. I don't mean to derail this thread. Only I must make a confession about it: When I assessed my very first BE-dossier I asked for post-hoc power and justification and I felt divine ![]() ![]() There. Now I confessed. I sense a kind of relief. ![]() — Pass or fail! ElMaestro |
Helmut ★★★ ![]() ![]() Vienna, Austria, 2018-05-31 19:16 (2483 d 06:25 ago) @ ElMaestro Posting: # 18835 Views: 8,544 |
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![]() ![]() ❝ […] When I assessed my very first BE-dossier I asked for post-hoc power and justification and I felt divine. Today I am not very proud of it. Was a good while ago, right? I’m guilty as well. Mea culpa, mea maxima culpa. Starting in the early 1980s I assessed studies solely by nonparametric (!) methods. Yep, about 300 of them. No dead people lying in the street. Only in the annex of the report I gave the ANOVA (the CV and yes, bloody post hoc power). When working in a CRO it is difficult to convince the client that sumfink is crap (“everybody reports it, we are always right and pay you,…”). My last report giving post hoc power dates back to the late 1990s. Fuck, more than twenty years ago. I’m Was a long way to go. ❝ Now I confessed. So did I. ![]() Johannes Kepler has spent years and decades arithmetically and geometrically proving the Divine Harmony of the Spheres postulated by Pythagoras. And yet, he has discarded the work of his half life, thousands of pages of records and calculations, at one go, when he finally realized that the planetary orbits are not circles but ellipses. […] This is the way true and scientific knowledge gain works. — Dif-tor heh smusma 🖖🏼 Довге життя Україна! ![]() Helmut Schütz ![]() The quality of responses received is directly proportional to the quality of the question asked. 🚮 Science Quotes |
ElMaestro ★★★ Denmark, 2018-05-31 23:47 (2483 d 01:54 ago) @ Helmut Posting: # 18836 Views: 8,533 |
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Hi Hötzi, ❝ Was a good while ago, right? Ah yes. Those were the days when the fastest way for a controlled correspondence to reach OGD from Ghent was with a steam ship. Well, sort of. I love that offtopic-o-meter. Does a silly-o-meter exist, too? ![]() — Pass or fail! ElMaestro |
Helmut ★★★ ![]() ![]() Vienna, Austria, 2018-06-01 02:01 (2482 d 23:40 ago) @ ElMaestro Posting: # 18837 Views: 8,524 |
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![]() ❝ I love that offtopic-o-meter. Does a silly-o-meter exist, too? Your wish is my command! Took me a while. Producing animated GIFs in GIMP is not one of my specialities. — Dif-tor heh smusma 🖖🏼 Довге життя Україна! ![]() Helmut Schütz ![]() The quality of responses received is directly proportional to the quality of the question asked. 🚮 Science Quotes |
ElMaestro ★★★ Denmark, 2018-06-01 10:31 (2482 d 15:10 ago) @ Helmut Posting: # 18838 Views: 8,507 |
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Hi Hötzi, ❝ Your wish is my command! ❝ Took me a while. Producing animated GIFs in GIMP is not one of my specialities. What a great start of my day and the weekend ![]() ![]() ![]() Thanks a lot. — Pass or fail! ElMaestro |
Helmut ★★★ ![]() ![]() Vienna, Austria, 2018-06-01 15:42 (2482 d 09:59 ago) @ ElMaestro Posting: # 18839 Views: 8,342 |
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Hi ElMaestro, ❝ Thanks a lot. My pleasure. Use these links and change the round brackets to squared ones:
— Dif-tor heh smusma 🖖🏼 Довге життя Україна! ![]() Helmut Schütz ![]() The quality of responses received is directly proportional to the quality of the question asked. 🚮 Science Quotes |
ElMaestro ★★★ Denmark, 2018-06-01 17:17 (2482 d 08:24 ago) @ Helmut Posting: # 18840 Views: 8,593 |
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Hi Hötzi, ![]() This one is your biggest contribution to BE-science ever. The pinnacle of your career. I am awe-struck. The entire community, including those who authored §1.58 and §5.5.5 in ICH E6, should feel grateful. One giant leap for mankind. — Pass or fail! ElMaestro |
valivetiananth ☆ India, 2018-06-02 10:52 (2481 d 14:49 ago) @ Helmut Posting: # 18841 Views: 8,233 |
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Thanks for your reply. ❝ ❝ We have conducted a pivotal study for Europe with 48 subjects considering ~80% power, ISCV: 23%. ❝ ❝ The study was bioequivalent and 90% CI is within 80-125 for both Cmax & AUCt. ❝ ❝ Power of Cmax and AUCt are 92% & 66% respectively. ❝ ❝ In this order? Can you give us their CVs and GMRs? CV- Cmax: 27.731; AUCt: 22.678 GMR-Cmax: 97.76; AUCt: 87.99 Edit: Full quote removed. Please delete everything from the text of the original poster which is not necessary in understanding your answer; see also this post #5! [Helmut] |
Helmut ★★★ ![]() ![]() Vienna, Austria, 2018-06-02 15:02 (2481 d 10:39 ago) @ valivetiananth Posting: # 18842 Views: 8,314 |
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Hi Valiveti, ❝ ❝ ❝ […] 48 subjects considering ~80% power, ISCV: 23%. ❝ ❝ ❝ The study was bioequivalent and 90% CI is within 80-125 for both Cmax & AUCt. ❝ ❝ ❝ Power of Cmax and AUCt are 92% & 66% respectively. ❝ ❝ In this order? Can you give us their CVs and GMRs? ❝ CV- Cmax: 27.731; AUCt: 22.678 ❝ GMR-Cmax: 97.76; AUCt: 87.99 Sorry, I forgot to ask for the sample sizes. Hence, I estimated them – which leaves me confused. ![]()
I got (my confidence intervals might not be exactly yours if sequences were unbalanced, i.e., n1 ≠ n2):
Is this correct? If yes, why did you have much less eligible subjects in the data set of Cmax than in the one of AUC? Generally it is the other way ’round (nAUC ≤ nCmax): If the AUC can’t be reliably estimated (missing samples in the late phase and/or the extrapolated AUC >20% of AUC0–∞) its value is not reported whereas the one of Cmax still is. — Dif-tor heh smusma 🖖🏼 Довге життя Україна! ![]() Helmut Schütz ![]() The quality of responses received is directly proportional to the quality of the question asked. 🚮 Science Quotes |
Helmut ★★★ ![]() ![]() Vienna, Austria, 2018-06-09 17:13 (2474 d 08:28 ago) @ valivetiananth Posting: # 18877 Views: 7,820 |
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Hi Valiveti, you logged in to the forum last Monday – so I assume that you have read my previous post. Would you mind answering my questions above? By definition a forum isn’t a one-way street. — Dif-tor heh smusma 🖖🏼 Довге життя Україна! ![]() Helmut Schütz ![]() The quality of responses received is directly proportional to the quality of the question asked. 🚮 Science Quotes |