mittyri ★★ Russia, 2018-05-18 00:47 (2501 d 00:07 ago) Posting: # 18779 Views: 4,156 |
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Dear All, could you please enlighten me what is the reason to analyse and describe PK of Perindoprilat when one of APIs is Perindopril (as an example)? As EMA stated Also for inactive prodrugs, demonstration of bioequivalence for parent compound is recommended. The active metabolite does not need to be measured. What is the reason why the experts could insist to include Perindoprilat to the list of analytes? — Kind regards, Mittyri |
Helmut ★★★ ![]() ![]() Vienna, Austria, 2018-05-18 14:35 (2500 d 10:18 ago) @ mittyri Posting: # 18780 Views: 3,641 |
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Hi Mittyri, Hence, the study likely was performed before even the draft BE GL was published (24 July 2008). The applicable Note for Guidance (2001) was ambiguous: In most cases evaluation of bioavailability and bioequivalence will be based upon the measured concentrations of the parent compound. In some situations, however, measurements of an active or inactive metabolite may be necessary instead of the parent compound. Such situations include cases where the use of a metabolite may be advantageous to determine the extent of drug input, e.g. if the concentration of the active substance is too low to be accurately measured in the biological matrix (e.g. major difficulty in analytical method, product unstable in the biological matrix or half-life of the parent compound too short) thus giving rise to significant variability. In the study the parent perinodopril was the primary and “data from perindoprilat were used as supportive data” (PAR page 68). ❝ What is the reason why the experts could insist to include Perindoprilat to the list of analytes? I don’t think that they insisted. Was the company’s decision (maybe if the study failed the parent to have sumfink to start an argument). Nowadays in the EEA the metabolite is only nice to know and definitely not mandatory. Interesting that the FDA requires perindoprilat as “supportive evidence of comparable therapeutic outcome” and the following data should be submitted: individual and mean concentrations, individual and mean pharmacokinetic parameters, and geometric means and ratios of means for AUC and Cmax. — Dif-tor heh smusma 🖖🏼 Довге життя Україна! ![]() Helmut Schütz ![]() The quality of responses received is directly proportional to the quality of the question asked. 🚮 Science Quotes |
mittyri ★★ Russia, 2018-05-20 01:46 (2498 d 23:07 ago) @ Helmut Posting: # 18790 Views: 3,371 |
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Hi Helmut, thank you for detailed answer (as always!) ❝ ❝ What is the reason why the experts could insist to include Perindoprilat to the list of analytes? ❝ ❝ I don’t think that they insisted. Was the company’s decision (maybe if the study failed the parent to have sumfink to start an argument). Nowadays in the EEA the metabolite is only nice to know and definitely not mandatory. Well, I got some discussion with colleagues a while ago. They are confused by the fact that Russian experts insisted on Perindoprilat as mandatory additional analyte. After referencing to the actual Russian/EEU guidelines (see above) they mentioned that 'there's an actual (common) practice to analyse and to present Perindoprilat within Perindopril in Russia and other counties' So I was wondering what kind of countries they were mentioning? OK, FDA/USA. Then why the hell the guideline is written using EMA approach?? Have you seen so far that experts could insist on metabolites? — Kind regards, Mittyri |
ElMaestro ★★★ Denmark, 2018-05-18 16:26 (2500 d 08:27 ago) @ mittyri Posting: # 18782 Views: 3,546 |
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Hi, apart from the answer from Helmut above I think that Perindopril itself is a pleasant drug to work with. It absorbs well, not too fast and not too slow, the peak can be nicely captured and does not requirement enormously sensitive detectors, and any conversion to perindoprilat in plasma can be easily controlled. — Pass or fail! ElMaestro |
Ohlbe ★★★ France, 2018-05-18 17:26 (2500 d 07:27 ago) @ ElMaestro Posting: # 18783 Views: 3,555 |
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Dear El Maestro, ❝ [...] and any conversion to perindoprilat in plasma can be easily controlled. But beware of the back-conversion of the acylglucuronides, both of perindopril and of perindoprilat. They are well known for their instability. Some people have run into trouble. — Regards Ohlbe |