Helmut ★★★ Vienna, Austria, 2017-11-26 13:51 (2570 d 03:30 ago) Posting: # 18007 Views: 17,303 |
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Dear all, bioequivalence is not science (i.e., challenging a falsifiable hypothesis through experiments) but rather an ad hoc solution to a pressing problem in the 1970s. Its two main assumptions were plucked out of thin air:
Following concern by the French ANSM in 2012 about stability issues Merck KGaA changed one of the excipients of their levothyroxine sodium formulation Levothyrox, namely lactose to mannitol and citric acid. BE was demonstrated in a 2×2×2 crossover study in healthy subjects1 (204 completers) with pre-specified limits of 90.00–111.11% for AUC and Cmax according to the EMA’s GL (NTID). Both the new and old formulations were administered as a single 600 µg dose (3×200 µg). PK-metrics were adjusted for the baseline. PE of AUC0–72 was 99.3% (90% CI: 95.6–103.2%) and of Cmax 101.7% (98.8–104.6%), both easily fulfilling the requirements for BE. Post-hoc power was >99%. However, within three months of the new formulation’s release to the French market, AEs skyrocketed (dizziness, cramps, headaches, and hair loss). Within 24 days the ANSM received 9,000 (!) AE-reports. The French Minister of Health adressed these patients concerns on September 15th by asking Merck to reintroduce the previous formulation within 15 days, on a temporary basis and under medical prescription only for patients with persistent and undesirable side effect.2,3 An analysis of 5,062 patient complaints by the ANSM concluded that while ‘thyroid imbalances can occur for some patients during the transition’ between the old and new formulations, the reported symptoms ‘are in line with those experienced with the previous formulation. No new type of adverse event related to the new formulation was found’.4 Now what?
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ElMaestro ★★★ Denmark, 2017-11-26 15:46 (2570 d 01:35 ago) @ Helmut Posting: # 18008 Views: 8,765 |
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Hi Hötzi, ❝ Now what? Now I believe you will see an agency put exactly that information into the public domain which largely acquits the agency itself, by modest but carefully deliberated press releases or comments to news media. Along with attempts from the Sponsor's side to control the volume and nature of information I am sure, I am really, really 120 million % convinced, that the need to steer the public opinion in a specific direction will trump objective science. This isn't BE anymore but is now a communications exercise. I am afraid that an objective root cause investigation is wishful thinking. — Pass or fail! ElMaestro |
nobody nothing 2017-11-26 17:51 (2569 d 23:30 ago) @ Helmut Posting: # 18009 Views: 8,754 |
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L-Thyroxine (as an endogenous aminoacid with strong hormonal effects) is somefing very special, as recognized long ago, e.g.: https://www.aace.com/files/position-statements/levothyroxine.pdf https://www.endocrine.org/~/media/endosociety/files/advocacy-and-outreach/position-statements/all/lt4positionstatementwithmembercommentsheader.pdf?la=en http://online.liebertpub.com/doi/pdf/10.1089/105072504773297867 or James V. Hennessey, Generic vs Name Brand L-Thyroxine Products: Interchangeable or Still Not? J Clin Endocrinol Metab, February 2013, 98(2):511–514 Some people have to make the same experience made in the past again and again... — Kindest regards, nobody |
Helmut ★★★ Vienna, Austria, 2017-11-26 18:37 (2569 d 22:44 ago) @ nobody Posting: # 18010 Views: 8,719 |
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Hi nobody, ❝ L-Thyroxine (as an endogenous aminoacid with strong hormonal effects) is somefing very special, as recognized long ago, e.g.: […] Sure. Dose finding for levothyroxine is a pain in the back (NTID, long half life, large between-subject variability). Hence, most endocrinologists would not switch their patients from one product to another one. Note that the FDA’s guidance is even less stringent than the EMA’s. In the study of Gottwald-Hostalek et al. the CVintra of Cmax was 17.7%. According to the FDA’s RSABE (assuming CVwT=CVwR) that would translate into implied BE-limits of 83.11–120.33%… I think that neither physicians nor patients were aware of what was going on – that wasn’t a product-switch but a change in the formulation. Both thought to take still the same product of the same manufacturer. — Dif-tor heh smusma 🖖🏼 Довге життя Україна! Helmut Schütz The quality of responses received is directly proportional to the quality of the question asked. 🚮 Science Quotes |
nobody nothing 2017-11-26 19:00 (2569 d 22:21 ago) @ Helmut Posting: # 18011 Views: 8,685 |
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❝ I think that neither physicians nor patients were aware of what was going on – that wasn’t a product-switch but a change in the formulation. Both thought to take still the same product of the same manufacturer. Reformulation -> new product. End of story Endocrinologists don't support any switching. This was a switch without prior info to patients/docs. Failed. Expectable. For this compound. This has never been discussed broadly by the authorities (read stories of proposed scientific meeting on this topic, which never took place). Too much politics. As Mr. Denmark pointed out. — Kindest regards, nobody |
ElMaestro ★★★ Denmark, 2017-11-26 19:30 (2569 d 21:51 ago) @ Helmut Posting: # 18012 Views: 8,700 |
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Hi Hötzi, ❝ Hence, most endocrinologists would not switch their patients from one product to another one. What planet are you from? Endocrinologists, pardon me, likely have no idea. Besides, in many countries they have little (not zero, but just little) control over which drug (brand or generic) is given at the pharmacy. — Pass or fail! ElMaestro |
DavidManteigas ★ Portugal, 2017-11-27 18:53 (2568 d 22:28 ago) @ Helmut Posting: # 18014 Views: 8,580 |
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There isn't any biological background that might explain this issue? Or problems during manufacturing? This is really awkward... the CI and point estimate are far more "perfect" than I am used to see. In fact, in full replicate studies, I've seen reference drugs "performing" poorly when compared with single administrations of themselves... Is the dose-toxicity so sensible for this drug that event the narrower limits does not apply in this case? Did a quick search and haven't find any study reporting the dose-response of this drug |
Helmut ★★★ Vienna, Austria, 2017-11-27 21:35 (2568 d 19:45 ago) @ DavidManteigas Posting: # 18015 Views: 8,638 |
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Hi David, ❝ There isn't any biological background that might explain this issue? Or problems during manufacturing? No idea. ❝ This is really awkward... the CI and point estimate are far more "perfect" than I am used to see. For this drug, not. The relative BA (against a solution) is ~100% and the variability low to moderate. Check out the NDAs and ANDAs at FDA’s site. You will find a lot of studies with similarly narrow CIs (even with much smaller sample sizes). ❝ In fact, in full replicate studies, I've seen reference drugs "performing" poorly when compared with single administrations of themselves... Normal for HVD(P)s. ❝ Is the dose-toxicity so sensible for this drug that event the narrower limits does not apply in this case? No idea. ❝ Did a quick search and haven't find any study reporting the dose-response of this drug The FDA’s guidance gives this explanation: FDA has concluded that levothyroxine sodium is a narrow therapeutic index (NTI) drug based on the following evidence:
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nobody nothing 2017-11-28 09:53 (2568 d 07:27 ago) @ DavidManteigas Posting: # 18016 Views: 8,547 |
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...don't bother to follow the links I posted above (as a starter). They are totally irrelevant, as usual... — Kindest regards, nobody |