Yura ★ Belarus, 2017-01-17 10:30 (2987 d 04:41 ago) Posting: # 16963 Views: 12,488 |
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Dear all For calculation of a confidence interval of a difference of test and reference pharmaceuticals for two sequences (RT|TR) the formula is used: Kindest regards |
BE-proff ● 2017-01-17 13:33 (2987 d 01:37 ago) @ Yura Posting: # 16965 Views: 10,986 |
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Hi Yura, Certainly I am not an expert in math but it seems that your formula uses arithmetic means while BE operates with geometric means... ![]() |
Yura ★ Belarus, 2017-01-17 15:13 (2986 d 23:57 ago) @ BE-proff Posting: # 16966 Views: 10,897 |
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It is clear that log transformation becomes. I'm interested in the boundaries of the interval. |
d_labes ★★★ Berlin, Germany, 2017-01-18 15:36 (2985 d 23:35 ago) @ BE-proff Posting: # 16974 Views: 10,821 |
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Dear BE-proff! ❝ Certainly I am not an expert in math ... Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent. Ludwig Wittgenstein SCRN. — Regards, Detlew |
d_labes ★★★ Berlin, Germany, 2017-01-18 15:30 (2985 d 23:41 ago) @ Yura Posting: # 16973 Views: 11,120 |
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Dear Yura! ❝ For calculation of a confidence interval of a difference of test and reference pharmaceuticals for two sequences (RT|TR) the formula is used: ❝ what you have delivered here is not the formula for a 2x2 design ![]() Replace σ2 with 0.5*σ2 and you get the correct formula. ❝ What formula is used for calculation of a confidence interval of a difference of test and reference pharmaceuticals for three sequences (TRR|RTR|RRT)? The formula for the partial replicate is very similar to the above formula: Replace σ2 with (1/6)σ2 and use (1/n1+1/n2+1/n3) under the square-root and you got it ![]() Check out the function CI.BE() in package PowerTOST which can do the calculations for you. Given you have the ni, the point estimate in the original scale (i.e. sloppy spoken the GMR) and the residual CV. The formula for (TRR|RTR|RRT) clearly depends on the statistical model. I gave you the one which is obtained if the same model for replicate studies is used as in case of a 2x2 crossover: all effects fixed, data without missings. That way is what the EMA wants us to go. A mixed model analysis is a different cattle of fish ![]() Moreover I strongly recommend not to use an explicit formula for the CI but let the software do that job. Most if not all statistical software has tools for that. For instance estimate statement in SAS Proc GLM or confint() function in R just to name two of them. Doing so circumvents all the bells and whistles with missing data, un-balancedness and so on.Hope this helps. — Regards, Detlew |
Yura ★ Belarus, 2017-01-19 06:43 (2985 d 08:28 ago) @ d_labes Posting: # 16976 Views: 10,654 |
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Dear d_labes thank you very much opened their eyes ![]() ![]() Regards |
Mahmoud ★ Jordan, 2017-01-19 08:01 (2985 d 07:09 ago) @ Yura Posting: # 16977 Views: 10,777 |
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❝ What formula is used for calculation of a confidence interval of a difference of test and reference pharmaceuticals for three sequences (TRR|RTR|RRT)? Dear Sir Lower= EXP(Mean(T)-Mean(R)-SQRT(var(intra)*1/6(1/n1+1/n2+1/n3))) Upper= EXP(Mean(T)-Mean(R)+ SQRT(var(intra)*1/6(1/n1+1/n2+1/n3))) Mahmoud Abdel-Mohsen Ph.D Edit: Full quote removed. Please delete everything from the text of the original poster which is not necessary in understanding your answer; see also this post #5! [Helmut] |
Yura ★ Belarus, 2017-01-19 09:16 (2985 d 05:55 ago) @ Mahmoud Posting: # 16978 Views: 10,706 |
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Dear Mahmoud Where tst? ![]() |
Mahmoud ★ Jordan, 2017-01-19 09:55 (2985 d 05:15 ago) @ Yura Posting: # 16979 Views: 10,628 |
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❝ Where tst? Dear Sir This is the exact formula for find the CIs for this design |
Yura ★ Belarus, 2017-01-20 07:28 (2984 d 07:43 ago) @ Mahmoud Posting: # 16984 Views: 10,499 |
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Dear Mahmoud Using a formula in an example of the working group of EMA, results don't turn out. Regards |
Mahmoud ★ Jordan, 2017-01-20 10:11 (2984 d 05:00 ago) @ Yura Posting: # 16986 Views: 10,608 |
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Dear Sir Lower= EXP(Mean(T)-Mean(R)- t(.05,2(n1+n2+n3)-3)*SQRT(var(intra)*1/6(1/n1+1/n2+1/n3))) Upper= EXP(Mean(T)-Mean(R)+ t(.05,2(n1+n2+n3)-3)*SQRT(var(intra)*1/6(1/n1+1/n2+1/n3))) Edit: Full quote removed. Please delete everything from the text of the original poster which is not necessary in understanding your answer; see also this post #5! Yesterday I even deleted a post of yours which contained only a lengthy quote of yourself (i.e., without any additional text). First warning posted on the 16th. Since you repeatedly did not follow the Forum’s Policy, I blocked your account for three weeks. [Helmut] |
Yura ★ Belarus, 2017-01-20 12:33 (2984 d 02:38 ago) @ Mahmoud Posting: # 16988 Views: 10,533 |
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Dear Mahmoud now yes ![]() |