Helmut ★★★ ![]() ![]() Vienna, Austria, 2015-05-28 20:27 (3579 d 12:11 ago) Posting: # 14877 Views: 11,613 |
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Dear all, recently I saw a response to a request of one of my clients concerning reference-scaling: “In consideration of your request, we clarify that the Anvisa has accepted the use of the statistical method for scaling proposed by the European Agency (EMA, 2010), with the exception that for Anvisa scaling can only be applied […] in the cases that the intra-subject coefficient of variation (CV%) exceeds 40% for the originator product. Interesting. As usual the devil is in the details. IMHO, two interpretations are possible.
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ElMaestro ★★★ Denmark, 2015-05-28 21:10 (3579 d 11:28 ago) @ Helmut Posting: # 14878 Views: 9,869 |
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Hi Helmut, ❝ […] in the cases that the intra-subject coefficient of variation (CV%) exceeds 40% for the originator product. Haha, for a moment I thought you were serious. But then realised that of course no agency will be enforcing such a weird and unjustified requirement. You almost had me there. Great sense of humour. — Pass or fail! ElMaestro |
Helmut ★★★ ![]() ![]() Vienna, Austria, 2015-06-02 18:00 (3574 d 14:37 ago) @ ElMaestro Posting: # 14896 Views: 9,786 |
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Hi ElMaestro, ❝ […] But then realised that of course no agency will be enforcing such a weird and unjustified requirement. No? IMHO, it is not more unjustified than EMA’s. The EMA had no negative results from arbitrarily widening the AR to 0.70~1.43 (pre-2006, 2×2 crossover sufficient; widening also for AUC!) or to 0.75~1.33 (2006+, replicate design, Cmax only). There are hundreds (?) of products authorized according to those requirements. This “evidence” explains EMA’s cap on the CVWR of 50%. They didn’t want to reach beyond what they have accepted before. On the contrary FDA’s scaling came out of the blue… For CVs > ~50% the restriction on the PE of 0.80~1.25 is more important than the CI. Since in Canada (1991+) only the PE of Cmax has to lie with 0.80~1.25 there is some evidence across the pond that it “works” as well. Experience with AUC? Nada. Reading ANVISA’s response over and over again, I gather that they mean #1 in order to be on the safe side (“EMA accepts reference-scaling for five years now. Let’s be slightly more conservative.”). At least some of the inflation of the Type I Error observed with EMA’s “method” vanishes (I expect still a TIE of ~0.06 at 40%). Until Detlew releases an (experimental?) update for PowerTOST ’s *.scABEL functions (regulator="ANVISA" ) one can only assume the worst in sample size estimation, i.e., unscaled ABE, theta0=0.9 , CV=0.4 …— Dif-tor heh smusma 🖖🏼 Довге життя Україна! ![]() Helmut Schütz ![]() The quality of responses received is directly proportional to the quality of the question asked. 🚮 Science Quotes |
d_labes ★★★ Berlin, Germany, 2015-06-03 13:59 (3573 d 18:39 ago) @ Helmut Posting: # 14899 Views: 9,577 |
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Dear Helmut! ❝ Reading ANVISA’s response over and over again, I gather that they mean #1 in order to be on the safe side (“EMA accepts reference-scaling for five years now. Let’s be slightly more conservative.”). At least some of the inflation of the Type I Error observed with EMA’s “method” vanishes (I expect still a TIE of ~0.06 at 40%). Until Detlew releases an (experimental?) update for PowerTOST V1.2-07 is on the way.First impression concerning TIE (n=24, nsims=1E6): CV theta0 TIE — Regards, Detlew |
Helmut ★★★ ![]() ![]() Vienna, Austria, 2015-06-03 14:07 (3573 d 18:30 ago) @ d_labes Posting: # 14900 Views: 9,599 |
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Dear Detlew! ❝ THX! ❝ First impression concerning TIE (n=24, nsims=1E6): ❝ ❝ Terrible! In their attempt to be more conservative they are shooting themselves in the foot. The same story over and over again. ![]() — Dif-tor heh smusma 🖖🏼 Довге життя Україна! ![]() Helmut Schütz ![]() The quality of responses received is directly proportional to the quality of the question asked. 🚮 Science Quotes |
d_labes ★★★ Berlin, Germany, 2015-06-03 15:19 (3573 d 17:18 ago) @ Helmut Posting: # 14901 Views: 9,588 |
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Dear Helmut! ❝ ❝ ❝ THX! You are welcome. But wait until it arrives really. ❝ ❝ First impression concerning TIE (n=24, nsims=1E6): ❝ ❝ ❝ ❝ ❝ ❝ Terrible! In their attempt to be more conservative they are shooting themselves in the foot. The same story over and over again. Exactly. But the picture changes if they claim the same hokus pokus like "consumer risk model" and "implementation" as in the paper Davit et al. "Implementation of a Reference-Scaled Average Bioequivalence Approach for Highly Variable Generic Drug Products by the US Food and Drug Administration" AAPS Journal, Vol. 14, No. 4, December 2012 p(BE) at the original EMA widened acceptance limits, again n=24, design="2x3x3" (partial replicate), nsims=1E6: CV theta0 p(BE) — Regards, Detlew |
nobody nothing 2015-06-03 15:31 (3573 d 17:06 ago) @ d_labes Posting: # 14902 Views: 9,505 |
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... Would you mind elaborating a little on the hokus pokus part of the story? ![]() — Kindest regards, nobody |
d_labes ★★★ Berlin, Germany, 2015-06-03 16:00 (3573 d 16:37 ago) @ nobody Posting: # 14903 Views: 9,461 |
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— Regards, Detlew |
d_labes ★★★ Berlin, Germany, 2015-06-05 13:03 (3571 d 19:34 ago) @ Helmut Posting: # 14916 Views: 9,430 |
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Dear Helmut! Dear All! Proud to announce: PowerTOST V1.2-07 is on CRAN now ![]() After fiddling with such ugly requests like "Title case". First look on sample size: Settings: design="2x3x3", theta0=0.9 (acc. to the two Laszlo's), targetpower=0.8 CV N(EMA) N(ANVISA) As you see there is a partly considerable rise in burden for the ANVISA settings compared to the EMA in the range CV=30 - 45%(!). In this range ANVISA is actually more conservative than EMA. Note the range CV=40-45% where the widened acceptance ranges are identical for both regulatory settings but sample size is higher for ANVISA. After reaching the CV where a cap has to be placed on the widening (CV=50%) of the acceptance range both regulatory settings give the same sample size needed. — Regards, Detlew |
Lucas ★ Brazil, 2015-06-02 18:02 (3574 d 14:35 ago) @ Helmut Posting: # 14897 Views: 9,618 |
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Hello guys. Very interesting indeed, huh? We've also received that kind of feedback, it's a standard response when ANVISA is questioned about BE approaches for HVDs. From what I heard here, the first approach described by HS up here is the one that they want. Same regulatory constant. They think that drugs with variability between 30% and 40% are not HVDs in fact, since the rate of BE approval in this range is acceptable, according to them. IMHO that affirmation is reasonable, but how would that be used together with EMA's ABEL I wouldn't know how. For sure planning a study in those conditions is very hard. Very few people have tried scaling for ANVISA, since it's not yet very well established how it should be done. Hope to have been of help. Best regards. Lucas |
Helmut ★★★ ![]() ![]() Vienna, Austria, 2015-06-02 18:16 (3574 d 14:21 ago) @ Lucas Posting: # 14898 Views: 9,622 |
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Hi Lucas, ❝ […] the first approach described by HS up here is the one that they want. Same regulatory constant. THX for clarifying! ❝ […] but how would that be used together with EMA's ABEL I wouldn't know how. Technically no problem. See EMA’s SAS-code given for the “crippled models” (Methods A and B) in the Q&A-document. If the reference’s CV is not >40%, use the conventional acceptance range. Of course this leads to the weird discontinuity at 40%:
❝ Hope to have been of help. Absolutely – THX! — Dif-tor heh smusma 🖖🏼 Довге життя Україна! ![]() Helmut Schütz ![]() The quality of responses received is directly proportional to the quality of the question asked. 🚮 Science Quotes |