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shujak1 ☆ 2010-06-10 16:53 (5859 d 11:49 ago) Posting: # 5494 Views: 5,688 |
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Dear All, It is recommended/required to perform the sample collection-process stability (Blood stability testing) during method validation. The FDA Method Validation guidance states that drug stability should be proven during sample collection and handling, where the drug is still in blood form. Though EMEA draft guideline for validation has also hinted "Sufficient attention should be paid to the stability of the analyte in sampled matrix directly after blood sampling of subjects and further preparation before storage" So what are your views on this. Regards, Shuja Edit: Category changed. [Helmut] |
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Helmut ★★★ ![]() Vienna, Austria, 2010-06-10 17:18 (5859 d 11:24 ago) @ shujak1 Posting: # 5496 Views: 4,801 |
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Dear Shuja, this topic was discussed at the EUFEPS/EBF-workshop last April in Brussels. Though it is possible to spike whole blood, we have only a method for plasma/serum… One of the suggestions was to spike whole blood (t=37 ℃) and study different conditions (room temperature or immediate cooling, increasing time intervals until centrifugation) and analyze samples with the method for plasma/serum. But: potential interconversion of metabolite(s) is not covered. Interested in other opinions! — Dif-tor heh smusma 🖖🏼 Довге життя Україна! ![]() Helmut Schütz ![]() The quality of responses received is directly proportional to the quality of the question asked. 🚮 Science Quotes |
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shujak1 ☆ 2010-06-11 08:07 (5858 d 20:34 ago) @ Helmut Posting: # 5497 Views: 4,738 |
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Dear Helmut, Thanks for the reply. And as you said: Interested in other opinions!—Yes Let us also discuss the regulatory prospective as now the regulators have started auditing the studies in these prospectives, they have started giving emphasis on these points. So I am asking views of yours that whether this should be a parameter for method validation as many CRO's are doing this already and can the inspectors make issue of this? Regards, Shuja |
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Helmut ★★★ ![]() Vienna, Austria, 2010-06-11 15:50 (5858 d 12:52 ago) @ shujak1 Posting: # 5503 Views: 4,709 |
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Dear Shuja, ❝ […] whether this should be a parameter for method validation as many CRO's are doing this already and can the inspectors make issue of this? At least you should try – we can discuss possibilities and methods here. Second part of the question: Yes. — Dif-tor heh smusma 🖖🏼 Довге життя Україна! ![]() Helmut Schütz ![]() The quality of responses received is directly proportional to the quality of the question asked. 🚮 Science Quotes |
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BPA ● 2010-06-11 12:21 (5858 d 16:21 ago) @ Helmut Posting: # 5499 Views: 4,785 |
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Dear Helmut, Besides the general reqirement of validating stability in whole blood, there is the important question who should perform this validation. As analytical facilities take over responsibility at the point of sample arrival, in my opinion they have to validate their processing from this point. In fact they cannot be responsible for sample processing steps that are not subject to influence and documentation by the lab and that occur far distant in some clinical unit (you can't make the president of Iceland responsible for a riot in Timbuktu). And this poses a significant problem: The clinical unit, which has to validate these steps, frequently has not the possibility to analyze these targets. Additionally, as you already mentioned, there is usually a validated method for the processed plasma or serum, but not whole blood availlable. That means, that clinical units would have to send their validation samples to an analytical unit, which in turn must validate the analytics for whole blood. So, as a consequence, whole blood stability testing should not be regarded as an issue of analytical method validation, but of sample collecting. It is, in practical work of critical importance to separate these responsibilities. regards Hans Jörg |
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Ohlbe ★★★ France, 2010-06-11 12:44 (5858 d 15:58 ago) @ BPA Posting: # 5500 Views: 4,687 |
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Dear Hans Jörg, I would see things a bit differently. ❝ you can't make the president of Iceland responsible for a riot in Timbuktu True. Timbuktu is responsible for controlling the riot: the clinic is responsible for controlling the temperature in their freezers, and for having a back-up system. But the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Iceland will publish recommendations on whether it is safe to go to this or that country, and recommendations on precautions to be taken (don't go to this or that part of the city alone at night): the lab's input should be sought when writing the protocol regarding any specific handling condition, and the lab should have data to support their recommendation if the structure of the analyte and/or metabolite is known or suspected to be unstable. But I would agree with Helmut that this is a very difficult and open issue. No clear recommendation on how and when to do it, and many difficulties identified. Regards Ohlbe — Regards Ohlbe |
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BPA ● 2010-06-11 13:42 (5858 d 15:00 ago) @ Ohlbe Posting: # 5501 Views: 4,706 |
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Dear Ohlbe Seems to be the president of Iceland is a tough job |
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Helmut ★★★ ![]() Vienna, Austria, 2010-06-11 15:41 (5858 d 13:00 ago) @ BPA Posting: # 5502 Views: 4,704 |
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Dear Hans Jörg! ❝ Seems to be the president of Iceland is a tough job Yes. At least he should try to come up with suggestions for the United Nations (the sponsor). Seriously: in the meantime (no data available), IMHO sponsors should assume the worst. Whole blood samples should be put on ice immediately after harvesting and the time interval until centrifugation should be kept as short as possible. — Dif-tor heh smusma 🖖🏼 Довге життя Україна! ![]() Helmut Schütz ![]() The quality of responses received is directly proportional to the quality of the question asked. 🚮 Science Quotes |

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