IK
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India,
2010-04-12 13:31
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 Dilution integrity [Bioanalytics]

Dear Members,

Please suggest me on the following:

During subject sample analysis, in a batch individual repeats (dilution integrity samples) were also analysed along with DI QCs (dilution integrity quality control samples). In that batch DI QCs failed to meet specifications.

Now, should I reject the batch? (or) Should I code only the DI samples and repeat again? Please do needful on the same.

Thanks & Regards
IK
Helmut
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2010-04-12 16:36
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@ IK
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 DI QCs?

Dear IK!

❝ During subject sample analysis, in a batch individual repeats (dilution

❝ integrity samples) were also analysed along with DI QCs (dilution

❝ integrity quality control samples). In that batch DI QCs failed to meet

❝ specifications.


❝ Now, should I reject the batch? (or) Should I code only the DI samples and

❝ repeat again?


Interesting approach. IMHO once you have validated the method for dilution integrity, there is no need to run 'DI QCs' (to be honest, never heard this term before). Don't you have an SOP for such a situation? I would say:
  • No need to repeat the batch of subject samples, since QCs passed.
  • Repeat diluted samples, since DI QCs failed.
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2010-04-12 18:35
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@ Helmut
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 DI QCs?

Dear IK and Helmut,

❝ IMHO once you have validated the method for dilution integrity, there is

❝ no need to run 'DI QCs' (to be honest, never heard this term before).


I've seen it before, though it is indeed not mandatory IMHO.

❝ Don't you have an SOP for such a situation? I would say:

   • No need to repeat the batch of subject samples, since QCs passed.

   • Repeat diluted samples, since DI QCs failed.


I agree.

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Geokad
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Canada,
2010-04-12 22:38
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@ Helmut
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 DI QCs?

Dear IK and HS,

❝ Interesting approach. IMHO once you have validated the method for dilution

❝ integrity, there is no need to run 'DI QCs' (to be honest, never heard this

❝ term before). Don't you have an SOP for such a situation? I would say:

   • No need to repeat the batch of subject samples, since QCs passed.


In the validation, you demonstrate that by diluting a sample for example twice the ULQ concentration, the calculated concentration is not compromised. In other words, the ability to dilute a certain concentration is validated using one dilution factor (5 or 10 folds).
However, during sample analysis, by diluting High QCs with the same dilution factor that is applied to subject samples, you are validating the dilution factor you are applying on that day by the same analyst who’s diluting both QCs and subject samples.

   • Repeat diluted samples, since DI QCs failed


I agree

Regards, Geokad
IK
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India,
2010-04-13 06:59
(5917 d 06:56 ago)

@ Geokad
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 DI QCs?

Dear All,

Thanks a ton for your valuable comments.

Best Regards
IK (Indrakumar)
vajra123
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India,
2010-04-21 11:47
(5909 d 02:08 ago)

@ Helmut
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 DI QCs?

Hi HS,

Regarding this i have one doubt.
As you said,

   • No need to repeat the batch of subject samples, since QCs passed.

   • Repeat diluted samples, since DI QCs failed.


You mean to say that the dilution quality controls are not the part(are not consider for) of the batch acceptance.

regards,

Vajra
Geokad
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Canada,
2010-04-21 18:05
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@ vajra123
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 DI QCs?

Hi Vajra123,

❝ You mean to say that the dilution quality controls are not the part(are

❝ not consider for) of the batch acceptance.


Right. These QCs are not part of the batch acceptance criteria. They are only used to evaluate the dilution.

Regards, Geokad
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