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Shireen Janbek ☆ 2008-09-10 12:17 (6497 d 07:56 ago) Posting: # 2349 Views: 8,011 |
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Dear all Kindly advice on those two issues: Question #1 At our facility we faced an odd case where some pre-dose samples had an interfering peak of >5% of the Cmax within it's respective analytical run. These pre-dose concentrations were at the same time below the LLOQ. Kindly advice how to handle this case, and would the statement mentioned below as stated be considered correct? "Any interference less that the LLOQ detected in the zero standard sample of the volunteers should not be repeated even if is more than the 5% of the Cmax of the phase, since the value obtained is not accurate and precise": Question # 2 Doesn't the above mentioned case indicate a problem in the method, or in the analysis of that specific drug it self? Regards, Shireen |
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ElMaestro ★★★ Denmark, 2008-09-10 12:44 (6497 d 07:29 ago) @ Shireen Janbek Posting: # 2351 Views: 6,802 |
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❝ At our facility we faced an odd case where some pre-dose samples had an interfering peak of >5% of the Cmax within it's respective analytical run. Dear Shireen, If this was a multi-period study (i.e. not a parallel) then it would be important to know if these positive pre-dose levels occured in period 2 (or later, if applicable). If so then it would indicate a lack of washout time. This might not per se be a problem, as regulators seem to be softening a little bit in this regard. Check your period effect. Find out: If the phenomenon was observed in period 1, are you then absolutely sure the subjects did not ingest the active substance before the study? If the phenomenon occured in period 2 (3/4/5...) could it just be a lack of washout time? Are you sure your assay was as good as it shoudl be? Were some samples swapped in error (or labeled wrongly, or ...) during the analysis? EM. |
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Shireen Janbek ☆ 2008-09-11 08:36 (6496 d 11:37 ago) @ ElMaestro Posting: # 2357 Views: 6,824 |
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Thanks for the quick response ❝ If this was a multi-period study... yes this is a two period cross over study design ❝ ... (i.e. not a parallel) then it would be important to know if these positive pre-dose levels occured in period 2... they were random in that 3 were observed in period I and 3 were in period II ❝ ... (or later, if applicable). If so then it would indicate a lack of washout time. This might not per se be a problem, as regulators seem to be softening a little bit in this regard. Check your period effect. Find out: If the phenomenon was observed in period 1, are you then absolutely sure the subjects did not ingest the active substance before the study? All subjects were asked and confirmed not ingesting drug medication. Samples were luckily repeated in triplicate, their obtained concentrations were close to their original values yet less that the 5% of the Cmax, therefore, their data was accepted and included in the study statistics. However, my concern is the opposite scenario, if samples continued to be >5% of the Cmax, yet < LLOQ, then these subjects should be excluded from study statistics (as per the regulations FDA/EU) even though their results is < LLOQ... i.e I cannot say because the result is < LLOQ I should not care about the 5% of the Cmax limit! Thank You -- Edit: Standard quotes restored. [Helmut] |
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Ohlbe ★★★ France, 2008-09-10 12:49 (6497 d 07:23 ago) @ Shireen Janbek Posting: # 2352 Views: 7,029 |
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Dear Shireen, ❝ Question # 2 ❝ Doesn't the above mentioned case indicate a problem in the method, or in the analysis of that specific drug itself? If the interference is more than 5 % of Cmax, and less than LLOQ, it means that your LLOQ is more than 5 % of Cmax. Isn't this a first problem ? Will you be able to follow your concentrations long enough ? You will be in trouble in future if this sentence in the draft revision of the EU guideline remains as such in the final version: If there are any subjects for whom the pre-dose concentration is greater than 5 percent of the Cmax value for the subject in that period, the statistical analysis should be repeated with those subjects excluded. Results from both analyses should be presented, but the analysis with the subjects excluded should be considered as primary. The text uses the word "concentration", not "signal", or "interference". Which means that you need to calculate a concentration. Meaning that it should be higher than LLOQ ! Which means in turn that your LLOQ should not be higher than 5 % of Cmax. ❝ "Any interference less that the LLOQ detected in the zero standard sample of the volunteers should not be repeated even if is more than the 5% of the Cmax of the phase, since the value obtained is not accurate and precise": You may still wish to repeat these samples to check whether you still have a signal, and that it is not due simply to a contamination or carry-over. This may be part of your investigations to try and understand why you have these pre-dose concentrations higher than 5 % of Cmax (especially if you have them in the first period !). Regards Ohlbe |
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Debbie ★ India, 2009-06-29 19:35 (6205 d 00:38 ago) @ Ohlbe Posting: # 3917 Views: 6,231 |
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Hi, we are in a same situation, like the predose concentration is above 5% of Cmax and yet less than LOQ, (Predose concentrations are observed both in period 1 and period 2). as the PK analysis is at other location, do we need to report the predose concentrations (even though less than LOQ) which are above 5% of Cmax? since as per our procedures, all the concentrations below the LOQ will be replaced by "0" in the data submitted for PK analysis. if i do that, the PK personnel/Statistician does not know about the predose concentrations above 5% of Cmax. please advice to handle the situation. Regards, |
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Ohlbe ★★★ France, 2009-07-06 00:24 (6198 d 19:49 ago) @ Debbie Posting: # 3924 Views: 6,154 |
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Dear Debbie, ❝ we are in a same situation, like the predose concentration is above 5% of Cmax and yet less than LOQ If the concentration is below LLOQ, how do you know it is higher than 5 % Cmax ? Regards Ohlbe |
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martin ★★ Austria, 2008-09-10 15:25 (6497 d 04:48 ago) @ Shireen Janbek Posting: # 2355 Views: 6,806 |
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Dear Shireen please note that a pre-dose level (prior first dosing) may indicate an intrinsic level of the substance to be investigated. The assay to asses the concentration in the plasma may not be able to distinguish between the endogenous substance and the administered substance. In this case, not adjusting for an intrinsic level may lead to a biased assessment of the terminal half-life/terminal elimination rate. In fact, terminal half-life increases as your last sampling time point increases. hope this helps Martin PS.: A very simple adjustment (from a personal point of view) is to subtract the pre-infusion value from all contractions assessment post study drug administration. If a concentration level at a specific time point post study drug administration is lower or equal than the corresponding pre-infusion level, this concentration level and all subsequent concentration levels should not be used for calculation of at least terminal half-life / terminal elimination rate. |
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martin ★★ Austria, 2008-09-29 15:18 (6478 d 04:55 ago) @ Shireen Janbek Posting: # 2436 Views: 6,794 |
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dear shireen ! you may find this article of interest: C. Dansirikul, H. E. Silber and M. O. Karlsson (2008). Approaches to handling pharmacodynamic baseline responsess. Journal of Pharmacokinetics and Pharmacodynamics, 35(3): 269-283. hope this helps martin |
