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babu ☆ India, 2008-08-04 11:26 (6532 d 22:15 ago) Posting: # 2136 Views: 8,424 |
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dear all, I want a suggestion for the below case. Anticoagulant used during method validation is (K2 EDTA). Can I do project sample analysis with other anticoagulant (K3 EDTA) with out establishing cross validation K2EDTA versus K3EDTA? i am waiting fir your suggestion Thanks |
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ElMaestro ★★★ Denmark, 2008-08-04 12:32 (6532 d 21:10 ago) @ babu Posting: # 2137 Views: 7,267 |
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Dear Babu, ❝ Can I do project sample analysis with other anticoagulant (K3 EDTA) with out ❝ establishing cross validation K2EDTA versus K3EDTA? You surely can, but chances are high that it will not be accepted. EM. -- Edit: Standard quotes restored. [Jaime] |
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Ohlbe ★★★ France, 2008-08-22 18:33 (6514 d 15:09 ago) @ ElMaestro Posting: # 2235 Views: 7,817 |
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Dear all, That's a nice question (at least for me! It makes a change from statistics ).Have a look at the paper of the 2006 Crystal City conference: There was recognition of a distinct difference between EDTA and heparin-containing plasma and that a bioanalytical method validated for one could not be used for the other without some revalidation of the method but no consensus was reached for the need for cross-validation when using the same anticoagulant with a different counter-ion. As an example, attendees could not agree on the degree of cross-validation necessary for a method validated using sodium-heparinized plasma when it was applied to a lithium-heparinized sample. Heparin is something quite special, as lithium can play funny tricks in LC/MS/MS (lithiated adducts. You can have sodium adducts too, but you will get these even without sodium heparin as you have sodium in plasma anyway). Switching between sodium and lithium heparin can lead to some surprises. But what about EDTA ? The counter-ion is the same: K. And you have potassium in your samples anyway, so the small difference in K concentration between K2 and K3 EDTA may not make any difference. During the meeting the FDA guys (who wanted a revalidation) mentioned a difference in pH which could lead to differences in stability, but they failed to give any specific example. I haven't seen one in the litterature, but I didn't do an extensive search. Actually what worries me more in the switch between K2 and K3 EDTA is rather the sampling tube itself. If you are using BD Vacutainer, you will have noted that K3EDTA comes with glass tubes, while K2EDTA comes with plastic tubes. Have a look at this paper for more details on matrix effects due to polymers and plasticisers: Mei H, Hsieh Y, Nardo C, Xu X, Wang S, Ng K, Korfmacher WA Investigation of matrix effects in bioanalytical high-performance liquid chromatography / tandem mass spectrometric assays: application to drug discovery. Rapid Commun Mass Spectrom. 2003;17(1):97-103 ❝ You surely can, but chances are high that it will not be accepted. There are chances for US submission. What about EU ? For the time being the assessment of the bioanalytical part by EU regulators is... well... not consistently as thorough as it could be. Sometimes the counter-ion is not mentioned in the analytical report ("heparin", with no precision), but no question is raised. Sometimes the anticoagulant used in the validation and to prepare the standards and QCs in the study is different from the study samples (typically, the lab gets blank CPDA plasma from a blood bank, and analyses heparin or EDTA plasma), and no question is raised... Due to possible analytical problems, and to avoid spoiling my samples, I would do some partial validation when switching between K2 and K3 EDTA. But rather for my own peace of mind than for the regulators'. Regards Ohlbe |
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