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martin ★★ Austria, 2013-09-04 13:29 (4676 d 06:26 ago) Posting: # 11430 Views: 6,262 |
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Dear all, I have a off-topic general statistical question regarding analysis of freeze-thaw studies. I have a freeze-thaw experiment where two lots are freezed and thawed for five times. For each freeze-thaw step three replicates are available. No ‘acceptance’ criteria from a biological point of view are available. Does somebody know how this kind of studies is usually analyzed? Are there any guidelines and/or papers available? Any suggestions are highly appreciated! best regards martin Edit: Category changed. [Helmut] |
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Helmut ★★★ ![]() Vienna, Austria, 2013-09-04 15:27 (4676 d 04:27 ago) @ martin Posting: # 11432 Views: 5,296 |
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Hi Martin! ❝ I have a freeze-thaw experiment where two lots are freezed and thawed for five times. For each freeze-thaw step three replicates are available. No ‘acceptance’ criteria from a biological point of view are available. Do you know the initial concentration? ❝ Does somebody know how this kind of studies is usually analyzed? Are there ❝ any guidelines and/or papers available? Nope. As en entry point see EMA’s bioanalytical GL. There the limits are the ones common for (in)accuracy / (im)precision: ±15%/15% (or ±20%/20% at the LLOQ). — Dif-tor heh smusma 🖖🏼 Довге життя Україна! ![]() Helmut Schütz ![]() The quality of responses received is directly proportional to the quality of the question asked. 🚮 Science Quotes |
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martin ★★ Austria, 2013-09-04 16:03 (4676 d 03:51 ago) @ Helmut Posting: # 11433 Views: 5,404 |
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Dear Helmut, Nope, no "true" initial concentration available (just 3 replicates prior first freezing step). I thought on linear regression and test the slope to be different for zero. However, I do not like this approach for obvious reasons . Another approach may be to calculate the 95% CI for the mean at step 0 (kind of plausibility interval) and check if CI for the model-predictions is within that interval. What do you think? Best regards PS.: Here is an artificial data set for illustration
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Helmut ★★★ ![]() Vienna, Austria, 2013-09-04 16:43 (4676 d 03:11 ago) @ martin Posting: # 11435 Views: 5,186 |
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Hi Martin, ❝ Nope, no "true" initial concentration available (just 3 replicates prior first freezing step). OK, expected that. ❝ I thought on linear regression and test the slope to be different for zero. However, I do not like this approach for obvious reasons Yes, doesn’t make sense. ❝ Another approach may be to calculate the 95% CI for the mean at step 0 (kind of plausibility interval) and check if CI for the model-predictions is within that interval. ❝ What do you think? Much better. See also the Hsin-ya’s and Yung-jin’s stab for R.— Dif-tor heh smusma 🖖🏼 Довге життя Україна! ![]() Helmut Schütz ![]() The quality of responses received is directly proportional to the quality of the question asked. 🚮 Science Quotes |

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. Another approach may be to calculate the 95% CI for the mean at step 0 (kind of plausibility interval) and check if CI for the model-predictions is within that interval. 