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A-M-R ☆ Egypt, 2011-03-10 15:06 (5583 d 13:26 ago) Posting: # 6743 Views: 5,184 |
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I will carrying out a comparative study between metformin on one side and on the other side (metformin and amoxycillin), the study will be carried out on rats to study the effect of amoxycillin on the pharmacokinetics of metformin. can you help me in finding the most suitable design for this study and if it is possible to take whole blood of the rat at each time interval (9 time points) especially the time interval will be for 8 hours and the project for statistical calculations in this case. very thanks Amr hussein |
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ElMaestro ★★★ Denmark, 2011-03-10 15:33 (5583 d 12:58 ago) @ A-M-R Posting: # 6744 Views: 4,423 |
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Hi A-M-R, ❝ I will carrying out a comparative study between metformin on one side and ❝ on the other side (metformin and amoxycillin), the study will be carried ❝ out on rats to study the effect of amoxycillin on the pharmacokinetics of ❝ metformin. can you help me in finding the most suitable design for this ❝ study and if it is possible to take whole blood of the rat at each time ❝ interval (9 time points) especially the time interval will be for 8 hours ❝ and the project for statistical calculations in this case. Difficult but doable. A rat will not contain a lot of blood. Your samples need to be very moderate in size. Bleeding a rat may give as little as 8-10 ml depending on the size. What formulation is this? Gavage feeding is very reproducible in rats, but requires a liquid of some sorts. You can do crossover but in that case should perhaps consider the blood volume loss needs time to recover. A parallel study might be a better way - I think I would do that. Rats come in many colors and flavours; from several sources the most common ones ("wt" is a misnomer) are for instance Wistar and Sprague-Dawley. These are typically sold as outbreds, but I would certainly pick inbreds to control genetic variation - this would be particularly important in a parallel design. Inbreds, though, are sometimes quite hysterical. You can insert a hep-flushed catheter in v. jugularis under full anaesthesia and have the other end protruding from the neck. The rats will recover in a matter of a few days and be ready for the dosing. With a restrainer this setup can work well and is pretty easy to get approval for. — Pass or fail! ElMaestro |
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martin ★★ Austria, 2011-03-10 16:09 (5583 d 12:23 ago) @ A-M-R Posting: # 6745 Views: 4,497 |
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Dear Amr ! In this kind of studies, the sampling scheme is frequently a problem (i.e. it is not possible to get samples from all animals at all time points planned due to restrictions in blood volume). You may consider using a batch design to overcome these limitations which is for example described in the following papers: Jaki T and Wolfsegger MJ (2009). A theoretical framework for estimation of AUCs in complete and incomplete sampling designs. Statistics in Biopharmaceutical Research, 1(2):176-184. Abstract Jaki T, Wolfsegger MJ, Lawo J-P (2010). Establishing bioequivalence in complete and incomplete data designs using AUCs. Journal of Biopharmaceutical Statistics, 20(4):803-820. Abstract The approaches described in these two papers are implemented in the R package PK: Jaki T and Wolfsegger MJ. Estimation of pharmacokinetic parameters with the R package PK. Pharmaceutical Statistics, published online ahead of print Abstract hope this helps martin Edit: Abstracts and package PK linked. [Helmut] |
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A-M-R ☆ Egypt, 2011-03-16 11:07 (5577 d 17:25 ago) @ martin Posting: # 6761 Views: 4,231 |
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Dear Martin many thanks for your prompt reply on me but can i ask if you have an approach explain the methods of calculation of pK parameters and confidence interval for the serial sampling design in small rats. Amr Hussein Edit: Full quote removed. Please delete anything from the text of the original poster which is not necessary in understanding your answer; see also this post! P.S.: Please do you homework first - have you read the papers Martin gave? [Helmut] |
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martin ★★ Austria, 2011-03-10 17:53 (5583 d 10:38 ago) @ A-M-R Posting: # 6746 Views: 4,343 |
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Dear Amr ! You may find also the following paper regarding recommended blood sampling volumes of interest: Diehl KH, Hull R, Morton D, Pfister R, Rabemampianina Y, Smith D, Vidal JM, van de Vorstenbosch C (2001). A good practice guide to the administration of substances and removal of blood, including routes and volumes. Journal of Applied Toxicology 21(1):15-23. Paper hope this helps martin |
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manan ☆ Ahmedabad, 2011-03-11 07:40 (5582 d 20:51 ago) @ A-M-R Posting: # 6748 Views: 4,245 |
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Dear Amr It is possbile to carry out kinetic study on rats. However, taking blood samples of same volume may be a concern here. You can go ahead with retro-orbital puncture which can give you up to 4 ml blood. But I am not sure you can get same 4 ml from same animal at all the time points. I prefer it is better to start with a pilot study with 2 or 3 rats and to to see how they respond. A parallel design is better. Why dont you try the study in rabbits?? Rabbits can give you sufficient amount of blood through marginal ear vein. |
