kms.srinivas ☆ India, 2018-03-09 06:38 (2624 d 13:38 ago) (edited on 2018-03-09 10:15) Posting: # 18506 Views: 6,125 |
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Dear Friends, I am very thankful if you could help me regarding following: 1. In which circumstances, Partial or Full Replicate design should be used? 2. Can we go for 2 way crossover, when ISCV > 30% also? 3. Which is better design? Full or Partial replicate? Why? 4. What is the SAS code for Randomization of Full and Partial Replicates? Thanks in advance for your response. |
ElMaestro ★★★ Denmark, 2018-03-09 11:17 (2624 d 08:59 ago) @ kms.srinivas Posting: # 18507 Views: 5,436 |
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Hello kms.srinivas, ❝ 1. In which circumstances, Partial or Full Replicate design should be used? Partial or full replicates can be used all the time. They tend to be advantageous if (and in my opinion only if) the study in which they are used shows a CVintra(ref) of >30%. Here's an element of predicting, guessing, expecting variability. You can often get inspiration from published studies/PARs/FOI information etc. ❝ 2. Can we go for 2 way crossover, when ISCV > 30% also? ❝ 3. Which is better design? Full or Partial replicate? Why? Full replicate gives you an opportunity to derive intra-CV for Test. But that quantitity isn't much used, generally. If we talk widening of acceptance range then that is made on basis of intra-CV for Ref. Full replicate is tougher on volunteers, because there will be more periods. All other factors equal, you will often see higher drop out rates towards the late periods. Partial replicate is fine. RTR/RRT/TRR is a very good design. Note here are proponents of RTR/TRT design types on this forum, albeit I believe there isn't an explicit solid regulatory support for that type. This may constitute a type of semi-replicate which will grow into maturity with time. Fitting RTR/RRT/TRR for FDA may be tricky, since the stats model -if I get it right- in SAS's world doesn't work well. It has to do with the lack of an intra-subject variance component for Test. ❝ 4. What is SAS code for Full and Partial Replicates? But the code will differ depending on the country in which the dossier is submitted. A much more personal remark: If in doubt (if CV is expected to be just around 30%, for example) , go for a 222BE design. — Pass or fail! ElMaestro |
Helmut ★★★ ![]() ![]() Vienna, Austria, 2018-03-09 14:17 (2624 d 05:59 ago) @ kms.srinivas Posting: # 18508 Views: 5,595 |
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Hi kms, first of all please search the forum before posting. There are dozens of threads discussing these issues in the categories RSABE / ABEL and Power / Sample Size. I will extend ElMaestro’s answers a little bit. ❝ 3. Which is better design? Full or Partial replicate? Why? ❝ ❝ Which is better food: chicken or veg? When it comes to food, both are fine if properly cooked. When it comes to replicate designs, full. Full stop. ❝ ❝ Full replicate is tougher on volunteers, because there will be more periods. Only in 4-period replicate designs. If you are worried about dropouts or are concerned about blood loss, consider one of the 3-period full replicate designs, i.e., TRT|RTR or TRR|RTT. BTW, the loss in power due to dropouts1 is small. ❝ ❝ Partial replicate is fine. RTR/RRT/TRR is a very good design. It is not even a bad design. Partial replicates, i.e., TRR|RTR|RRT and TRR|RTR are lousy designs. Reasons:
❝ ❝ Note here are proponents of RTR/TRT design types on this forum, … Correct. ![]() ❝ ❝ … albeit I believe there isn't an explicit solid regulatory support for that type. Mentioned in the EMA’s Q&A document. Requires that at least twelve eligible subjects are in sequence RTR – a condition which is always fulfilled in practice (see this post). Backstory: In my presentations I argued against partial replicates and recommended (if only three periods are preferred: dropouts, limited blood samples) the TRT|RTR instead. Then the Ukrainian agency asked the EMA’s PKWP for a clarification. The omniscient oracle has spoken. ❝ ❝ Fitting RTR/RRT/TRR for FDA may be tricky, since the stats model -if I get it right- in SAS's world doesn't work well. Not only in SAS. ❝ ❝ It has to do with the lack of an intra-subject variance component for Test. Correct. The model is over-specified (since T is not repeatedly administered). Even if the optimizer converges, the estimate of CVwT is plain nonsense. ❝ 4. What is the SAS code for Randomization of Full and Partial Replicates? Please do your homework first. Hints: SAS-codes for the FDA’s RSABE and ABE are given in the progesterone guidance and for the EMA’s ABEL in the Q&A document. For the Health Canada’s ABEL you have to use a mixed-effects model.
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