MGR ★ India, 2022-03-21 08:30 (1149 d 15:41 ago) Posting: # 22850 Views: 6,747 |
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Hi Everyone, I have done the pharmacokinetic analysis using Phoenix WinNonlin 8.3 (as per ANVISA data published in Manual for Good Bioavailability and Bioequivalence Practices (Vol. 1 Module 3 : Statistical step)). But the calculated kel (Elimination Rate constant) values were not matching with the presented guideline values (Result values were reported in Page No. 12 (Table 1.3 and Table 1.4)) ![]() For further information I have used best fit option in Winnonlin for kel calculation. The Raw Data is available in Page No. 11 (Table 1.1 and Table 1.2) ![]() Could anybody help me how to calculate/formula/logic of Kel Value calculations as per ANVISA Regulatory? Edit: I deleted a later post – you can edit your posts for 24 hours; see also the FAQ #3. [Helmut] — Regards, MGR |
Helmut ★★★ ![]() ![]() Vienna, Austria, 2022-03-21 12:12 (1149 d 11:59 ago) @ MGR Posting: # 22853 Views: 5,901 |
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Hi MGR, can you mail the data to me? I’m not in the mood of typing them in. I will upload the file to the server for others to check. — Dif-tor heh smusma 🖖🏼 Довге життя Україна! ![]() Helmut Schütz ![]() The quality of responses received is directly proportional to the quality of the question asked. 🚮 Science Quotes |
Helmut ★★★ ![]() ![]() Vienna, Austria, 2022-03-21 19:38 (1149 d 04:33 ago) @ MGR Posting: # 22857 Views: 5,901 |
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Hi MGR, THX for providing the data! If others are interested you may download them (in CSV-format). ❝ I have done the pharmacokinetic analysis using Phoenix WinNonlin 8.3… ❝ Could anybody help me how to calculate/formula/logic of Kel Value calculations as per ANVISA Regulatory? No logic, only bad practices. First of all, from subjects where concentrations are relatively high it is clear that the drug follows a two-compartment model. In subjects with low concentrations only the distribution phase is visible, explaining also the reported half lives ranging from 0.57 to 9.55 hours. The default automatic algorithm in Phoenix WinNonlin (and most other software I know) is starting with the last three concentrations and maximizing \(\small{R_\textrm{adj}^2}\) until the improvement by adding data is ≤0.0001. So far, so good.
The selection of the most suitable time interval cannot be left to a programmed algorithm based on mathematical criteria, but necessitates scientific judgment by both the clinical pharmacokineticist and the person who determined the concentrations and knows about their reliability.1 But what do we see in ANVISA’s examples? In many cases tmax|Cmax was included. Outdated software?3 In some cases a quite reasonable automatic fit was changed to the worse. Very bad: The fits were corrected about three times as often for R than for T. If we would do that, an assessor might suspect cherry-picking (intentionally changing the T/R-ratio of AUC0–∞). My procedure (of course, outlined in the protocol):
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mittyri ★★ Russia, 2022-03-22 12:31 (1148 d 11:40 ago) @ Helmut Posting: # 22858 Views: 5,772 |
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Hi Helmut, ❝ The default automatic algorithm in Phoenix WinNonlin (and most other software I know) is starting with the last three concentrations and maximizing \(\small{R_\textrm{adj}^2}\) until the improvement by adding data is ≤0.0001. I was always wondering: why the limit is ≤0.0001? Not simple <0? Or maybe ≤0.01? — Kind regards, Mittyri |
Helmut ★★★ ![]() ![]() Vienna, Austria, 2022-03-22 15:04 (1148 d 09:07 ago) @ mittyri Posting: # 22859 Views: 5,730 |
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Hi mittyri, ❝ I was always wondering: why the limit is ≤0.0001? You know that I’m not the right addressee to answer this question. ![]() Simulation script at the end.
❝ Not simple <0? Or maybe ≤0.01? Look at the bias of \(\small{\widehat{\lambda}_\textrm{z}}\). Given that, I don’t know. Perhaps the outcome would be different for a two-compartment model. Since you are a ne aggr$lambda.z . Very strange.
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