riteshsrmc
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2013-10-17 10:21
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Hi Helmut

I hope this message finds you well.

What would be your comments on Stabilization/Equlibration Run in bioanlaysis?We do have system suitability experiemnt in hand and we also develop Bioanalytical method while taking drug and system into consideration.Why we need to have Stabilization/Equlibration Run? How does it add significant value to the experiment?

Your yearly response will be highly appreciated?

Thanks,
Kumar
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India,
2013-10-17 13:50
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Dear Mr. Kumar,

The purpose of system stabilization is to handle the back pressure that is created in the system. A high back pressure will always cause increase in area and area ratios which will come down significantly after a few injections. The idea of system stabilization is to bring down the area ratios to normal, by subsequent injections so that the area ratios are stabilized.

On the other hand system suitability is done on a stabilized system, to access if the system is suitable with respect to column, mobile phase, area ratio and RT of drug and IS.

An SOP should be in place defining the procedure for performing system stabilization and the acceptance criteria. No subject samples should be used for stabilization.

Reporting of results of system stabilization would add clarity to the data and the regulators won't be left surprised as to how the system was stabilized.

Regards
P.S.Srinivas
riteshsrmc
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2013-10-17 15:50
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Hi Srinivas,

Appreciated for prompt response. Neverthless a couple of clarification required.
1. Is the stabilization/equilibration an absolute requirement for Assay or it varies case to case?
2.If we do this experiment still I believe there would be chances of mis-use or imporper use of stabilization/equilibration samples?How do we mitigate that?
3.There is no mechanism/control strategy to handle the back pressure while developing a method?

My questions would be abberent as I am not BA scientist.So please don not hesitate while responding?



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sarada06884
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2013-10-18 09:07
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Dear Mr. Kumar,

Stabilization/equilibration is not an absolute requirement for Assay. As already explained in my previous post, the purpose of system stabilization is to handle the back pressure that is created in the system. If there is no increased back pressure the there would be no requirement for Stabilization/equilibration and one can proceed for assay of samples directly.

In order to mitigate this issue of misuse of samples, there should be a documented procedure for the same. An SOP should be in place specifying the preparation of samples. Generally aqueous based (Unextracted samples) samples are used for the same. In no case subjects samples be used for Stabilization/equilibration.

There is not totally fool proof strategy for handling the back pressure. This also depends on the column, the mobile phase etc.The mobile phase may be filtered through .22 micron filter to remove the complexes (if any). Also column washing may help mitigate the issue in case the column is completely blocked.

As far as I am concerned back pressure can be minimized but cannot be totally eliminated.

Regards
P.S.Srinivas
riteshsrmc
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2013-10-18 09:49
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(edited on 2013-10-18 14:06)
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Thnks Srini!

Helmutz/ElMaestro/Olhbe:

Would you like to add something on this conversation.Your input is required.


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Ohlbe
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2013-10-18 16:29
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Dear Kumar,

❝ Helmutz/ElMaestro/Olhbe:


❝ Would you like to add something on this conversation.


Yes: please read this post.

❝ Your input is required.


We all post on our free time, on topics of interest to us. If you absolutely require the opinion of Helmut and ElMaestro, they both run consultancy services.

Back to you questions:
  • it is seen quite often in LC-MS/MS that the response from the detector, and possibly the retention times, evolve gradually over time when switching from water or solvent-based samples to plasma samples. I'm not sure back pressure is the only reason for it. It also involves conditioning of the ion source, gradual accumulation of phospholipids on the column etc. As this gradual evolution may affect the analyte and the IS differently, resulting in an evolution of the peak area ratio, the idea of injecting stabilisation samples before the run is to get to a stable status of the system before you start injecting your CC/QC/subject samples. As this effect is analyte- and method-dependent, you may or may not need to inject stabilisation samples, and the number of samples required to obtain a stable response may vary.
  • there is indeed a risk of "mis-use or improper use" of these samples. See here for an example... and its consequences.
  • strong recommendation: in order to avoid problems, don't use CC, QC or subject samples from other / the same run as equilibration samples. You could get accused of cherry picking (injecting them till you are satisfied that the calibration curve and QCs will pass). Use either pooled samples, or samples especially prepared for that purpose, at a concentration different from the CC/QC. I don't think there is a need to inject samples at all CC levels of concentration. One medium level, or possibly just one low and one high, should be enough.
  • look at the draft revised FDA guidance, lines 928-934.

Regards
Ohlbe
riteshsrmc
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2013-10-23 14:28
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Thanks Olhbe

So system suitability alone can not stabilize the MS system right?We may need to have prep-run procedure in place?


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France,
2013-10-23 14:59
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Dear Kumar,

First, and once again: please read this post. When answering a message, please delete everything from the text of the original poster which is not necessary in understanding your answer.

❝ So system suitability alone can not stabilize the MS system right?


Are you using aqueous samples for system suitability, or plasma-based samples ? If aqueous or solvent-based: no, it will not stabilise the system. If plasma-based: maybe it will, maybe it won't be sufficient. Some methods will require only a few injections, sometimes you need a few dozens.

❝ We may need to have prep-run procedure in place?


If you are using prep runs: yes, if you want to avoid the problems that Cetero ran into.

Regards
Ohlbe
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2013-10-23 15:13
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Thanks Olhbe
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