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jag009 ★★★ NJ, 2013-06-26 16:30 (4749 d 05:46 ago) Posting: # 10884 Views: 4,213 |
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Hi guys, I was reading a protocol last week and see this "subject data to be excluded from BE stats if auc/aucinf > 20%". Can one do that at all?? This really bugs me! Thanks John |
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Helmut ★★★ ![]() Vienna, Austria, 2013-06-26 18:33 (4749 d 03:43 ago) @ jag009 Posting: # 10885 Views: 3,802 |
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Hi John, ❝ I was reading a protocol last week and see this "subject data to be excluded from BE stats if auc/aucinf > 20%". Can one do that at all?? <nitpicking> You mean the extrapolated part = 100×(AUC∞–AUCt)/AUC∞ >20% or Ha-ha! Of course some “clever” CROs love to exclude subjects → decreased power → study fails → perform a new study → earn more money… Is this an IR formulation? If yes, absorption is essentially completed at 2–4 times tmax. For the FDA you can exclude AUC∞ and go ahead with AUCt (though I don’t think FDA requires that; the ≤20% residual area is EMA-style and not mentioned in any of FDA’s guidances). I would never exclude all data of a subject. At least I would keep the subject’s Cmax – which is due to its higher variability the win-loose metric anyhow. If this is an extended release formulation, AUC∞ is more important than AUCt since we may run into flip-flop PK and want to compare absorption. However, if you opt for exclusion of AUC, still keep Cmax. Just for completeness, EMA’s GL: […] AUC(0-t) should cover at least 80% of AUC(0-∞). Subjects should not be excluded from the statistical analysis if AUC(0-t) covers less than 80% of AUC(0-∞), but if the percentage is less than 80% in more than 20% of the observations then the validity of the study may need to be discussed. — Dif-tor heh smusma 🖖🏼 Довге життя Україна! ![]() Helmut Schütz ![]() The quality of responses received is directly proportional to the quality of the question asked. 🚮 Science Quotes |
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jag009 ★★★ NJ, 2013-06-26 19:31 (4749 d 02:45 ago) @ Helmut Posting: # 10886 Views: 3,675 |
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Hi Helmut, Agree on that you wrote but this CRO wants to remove the subject! IR formulation... John |
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Helmut ★★★ ![]() Vienna, Austria, 2013-06-26 19:39 (4749 d 02:37 ago) @ jag009 Posting: # 10887 Views: 3,678 |
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Hi John, hey, you are the boss! Tell them to get lost, eat shit, and die. — Dif-tor heh smusma 🖖🏼 Довге життя Україна! ![]() Helmut Schütz ![]() The quality of responses received is directly proportional to the quality of the question asked. 🚮 Science Quotes |
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jag009 ★★★ NJ, 2013-06-26 19:41 (4749 d 02:35 ago) @ Helmut Posting: # 10888 Views: 3,637 |
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Hi Helmut hahah eat poop and die! Good one. BTW, Laszlo E said Hi from Toronto. I mentioned to him about your alpha story and he said he hasn't forgotten. John |
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Helmut ★★★ ![]() Vienna, Austria, 2013-06-26 19:52 (4749 d 02:24 ago) @ jag009 Posting: # 10889 Views: 3,670 |
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Hi John, ❝ […] eat poop and die! That’s not what I said. In a sincere curse there’s no place for euphemisms, i.e., “restroom” (US) instead of “toilet” (UK) or “shithouse” (AUS). ![]() ❝ Good one. Learned it in Philadelphia in the early 1980s. ❝ BTW, Laszlo E said Hi from Toronto. I mentioned to him about your alpha story and he said he hasn't forgotten. THX. Still gives Detlew and some other guys headaches. — Dif-tor heh smusma 🖖🏼 Довге життя Україна! ![]() Helmut Schütz ![]() The quality of responses received is directly proportional to the quality of the question asked. 🚮 Science Quotes |
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jag009 ★★★ NJ, 2013-06-26 22:16 (4749 d 00:00 ago) @ Helmut Posting: # 10890 Views: 3,598 |
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Hi Helmut, Bullpoop = Bullshit? Ok ok, enough of this *@$% John |


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