d_labes ★★★ Berlin, Germany, 2009-02-11 11:04 (5925 d 03:16 ago) (edited on 2009-02-11 13:08) Posting: # 3220 Views: 6,668 |
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Dear All, to whom it concerns, I have played around with the tE algorithm of Czismadia/Endrenyi for estimating the lag time, mentioned previously in this thread and I would like to share my experiences. Short description of the algorithm (see the ref.* for more information):
Experiences: First: It seems a reasonable approach if the absorption is actually (at least approximately) first order. This results then in a concave part at the beginning of the concentration time curve for which the proposed transformation* yields in fact a reasonably straight line if plotted versus time. Second: The transformation does not work very well (not to say it breaks down totally) if the beginning part of the concentration time curve is first convex and then concave. Let me try to illustrate such a curve character based:
| conc ** [I hope you will see my point ![]() In case of such curves the transformation* does not yield a straight line and therefore the regression versus time cannot reasonably applied. The algorithm yields in most of such cases tL as lag time according to step (4) above. This is not worth the extra calculation power needed in the algorithm. Unfortunately I have seen such shaped curves frequently in cases where the lag time has importance. And the moral of the story is: Do not use an algorithm blind. Always check the underlying assumptions. More or less a platitude, I know. But it cannot told often enough.
BTW: I hope I do not bother anybody with my links to concave/convex, but I always cannot remember which is which ![]() BTW2: Implementing the algorithm I would suggest to replace the condition: If tE>tF then use (tL+tF)/2. — Regards, Detlew |
Helmut ★★★ ![]() ![]() Vienna, Austria, 2009-02-11 18:20 (5924 d 20:00 ago) @ d_labes Posting: # 3225 Views: 5,083 |
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Dear D. Labes, thanks for sharing your experiences! BTW, nice ASCII-graph. ❝ BTW: […] but I always cannot remember which is which Me too. There are some cribs (‘Eselsbrücken’ – for German speakers only): Konvex ist der Buckel von der Hex’. or less political correct:War das Mädchen brav, so ist der Bauch konkav ❝ BTW2: Implementing the algorithm I would suggest to replace the condition: If tE>tF then use (tL+tF)/2. Yes, good idea! — Dif-tor heh smusma 🖖🏼 Довге життя Україна! ![]() Helmut Schütz ![]() The quality of responses received is directly proportional to the quality of the question asked. 🚮 Science Quotes |
d_labes ★★★ Berlin, Germany, 2009-02-12 09:00 (5924 d 05:20 ago) @ Helmut Posting: # 3226 Views: 5,014 |
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Dear Helmut, ❝ or less political correct: ❝ ❝ ![]() — Regards, Detlew |