felipeberlinski ☆ Brazil, 2014-10-22 16:20 (3856 d 19:41 ago) Posting: # 13763 Views: 16,216 |
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Dear friends Reading a BE reccomendation of FDA I would like to know about your experience using two different designs. Since the drug is a HVD: Their reccomendation is to use a 3-sequence 3-period or a 2-sequence 4 period design. Could anybody explain the main differences between them and when should I use each one? Go easy, I'm not a biostatistician ![]() Thanks in advance Edit: Category changed. [Helmut] |
ElMaestro ★★★ Denmark, 2014-10-22 16:42 (3856 d 19:20 ago) @ felipeberlinski Posting: # 13764 Views: 14,561 |
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Hi Felipe, ❝ Since the drug is a HVD: ❝ Their reccomendation is to use a 3-sequence 3-period or a 2-sequence 4 period design. ❝ ❝ Could anybody explain the main differences between them and when should I use each one? Go easy, I'm not a biostatistician When you do a replicated study for the purpose of proving BE by means of reference scaling it is of primary interest to you to have two administrations on Ref. and one administration of Test within each subjects. Thus it isn't necessary to have two administrations of Test within each subject. Therefore I would personally prefer a 3-period, 3-sequence study. That designs is also lighter on the subjects - they undergo treatment (exposure) only in three periods and not four and that is arguably an ethical advantage. I'll say this a little differently (principle applies to both the EU and US version, although there are subtle other difference in how it works under the hood, especially since the CI is implicit in the US). The three period design gives you:
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nobody nothing 2014-10-22 17:06 (3856 d 18:55 ago) @ ElMaestro Posting: # 13765 Views: 14,402 |
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Don't forget: find someone to calculate that kind of stuff. FDA differntiates between "normal" HV drugs (progesterone guidance document) and narrow therapeutic index Hv dugs (warfarin document) iirc... — Kindest regards, nobody |
felipeberlinski ☆ Brazil, 2014-10-22 17:36 (3856 d 18:25 ago) @ nobody Posting: # 13766 Views: 14,396 |
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Thank you both for the help and explanation. I fully understood your point on exposing subjects, and agree with you regarding the ethical question. But talking a little about sample size, does a 3x3 is advantageous on this matter? Which one will require a smaller number of subjects involved? Thank you again |
nobody nothing 2014-10-22 17:41 (3856 d 18:20 ago) @ felipeberlinski Posting: # 13767 Views: 14,389 |
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...as a starter: http://bebac.at/lectures/Mumbai2013WS1.pdf page 17 ![]() ...but drop outs may increase if you have to dose one individual FOUR times, with all the wash-out and potential adverse events... — Kindest regards, nobody |
d_labes ★★★ Berlin, Germany, 2014-10-22 18:12 (3856 d 17:49 ago) @ felipeberlinski Posting: # 13768 Views: 14,834 |
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Dear Felipe, ❝ But talking a little about sample size, ... Since your original question refers to FDA lets see: (using R with package PowerTOST, true GMR=0.95, target power=80%, sample size for reference scaled ABE using scABE criterion according to progesterone guidance) > library(PowerTOST) The number of measurements (concentration samples) are 2x3x3 = 72 * number of timepoints 2x2x3 = 84 * number of timepoints 2x2x4 = 72 * number of timepoints The design 2x2x3 needs somewhat higher sample size than the partial replicate but has the advantage of yielding also an intra-subject variability for Test. But this is a "nice to have". Hope this helps. — Regards, Detlew |
MGR ★ India, 2015-04-08 15:35 (3688 d 20:26 ago) @ d_labes Posting: # 14675 Views: 13,092 |
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Dear d_Labes, ❝ (using R with package PowerTOST, true GMR=0.95, target power=80%, sample size for reference scaled ABE using scABE criterion according to progesterone guidance) As per the above, can we do the sample size in SAS software, if so can we use pairedmeans option in procpower or anything? Could you please help me in this regards? Thanks in advance. — Regards, MGR |
d_labes ★★★ Berlin, Germany, 2015-04-08 18:06 (3688 d 17:56 ago) @ MGR Posting: # 14676 Views: 13,179 |
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Dear MGR, ❝ As per the above, can we do the sample size in SAS software, if so can we use pairedmeans option in procpower or anything? Sorry ![]() In principle the simulations could be programmed in SAS, but IMHO this is a horrible task. Moreover the run-time expected is very slow. For that reasons (ease of programming, run-time) I had chosen the language R to implement the power/sample size estimation for scaled ABE, also my daily job is struggling with the beast SAS. R is free available at CRAN, package PowerTOST also. Both are relative easy to install. See this post. Thus I recommend you to use that way to be able to do the sample size estimation for scaled ABE. — Regards, Detlew |
Helmut ★★★ ![]() ![]() Vienna, Austria, 2015-04-08 18:19 (3688 d 17:42 ago) @ MGR Posting: # 14677 Views: 13,073 |
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Hi MGR, adding to what Detlew said: See the paper* by the two Lászlós about simulations (done in MatLab). When asked for their code they recommended PowerTOST instead. ![]()
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Helmut ★★★ ![]() ![]() Vienna, Austria, 2014-10-22 18:36 (3856 d 17:25 ago) @ felipeberlinski Posting: # 13769 Views: 14,519 |
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Hi Felipe, I oppose our Master when he wrote: Thus it isn't necessary to have two administrations of Test within each subject. Correct, if you have only CVWR needed for scaling in mind. But – if CVWR<30% – FDA’s mixed-effects code fails sometimes in partial replicated studies (TRR|RRT|RTR) since the model is over-specifed. Either parameterize the covariance structure asFA0(1) – instead of TYPE=FA0(2) given in the guidance – or perform a fully replicated three-period design (RTR|TRT). This design seemingly converges always and additionally gives you information about your product.Sample sizes for FDA’s RSABE (T/R 90%, 80% power): CV% 20 30 40 50 80 I would not recommend a four-period study (more blood draws / subjects, higher drop-out rate). — Dif-tor heh smusma 🖖🏼 Довге життя Україна! ![]() Helmut Schütz ![]() The quality of responses received is directly proportional to the quality of the question asked. 🚮 Science Quotes |
Mauricio Sampaio ★ Brazil, 2014-10-28 13:12 (3850 d 21:50 ago) @ felipeberlinski Posting: # 13810 Views: 14,338 |
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Hi Felipe! How are you my friend? In my opinion, as the my focus is generics drugs products, I suggest the implementation of a reference scaled average bioequivalence using a 4x2 design. Because with test and reference formulations replicated the statistical adjustment is more consistent. Because you have more information from two medicines. In addition, the 4x2 design gives you a real information about your product that can be used in an internal discussion to improve your formulation in case of bioequivalence study fail. More information read: Implementation of a Reference Scaled Average Bioequivalence Approach for Highly Variable Generic Drug Products by the US Food and Drug Administration. The AAPS Journal, Vol.14, No.4, December2012 doi 10.1208/s12248-012-9406-x Best regards |