Helmut ★★★ ![]() ![]() Vienna, Austria, 2014-09-30 15:02 (3878 d 20:42 ago) Posting: # 13620 Views: 9,790 |
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Dear all, in a recently published book* I found an interesting case study. Formulation change of the innovator (mesalamine: DR tablet ⇒ DR capsule). PK endpoints Cmax, AUC0–t, AUC8–48. Fully replicated 4-period study, 238 (‼) completers, study passed RSABE: PK metric sWR PE 95% UCL CVs were for Cmax (R 200%, T 170%), AUCt (R 306%, T 272%), and AUC8-48 (R 286%, T 268%). I guess the originator was well aware about the GMRs in designing the study. For GMR 1.10, CV 300%, and a target power of 90% I got: ++++++++ Reference scaled ABE crit. +++++++++ Quote: […] although the RSABE was implemented to promote development of generic HV drugs by easing regulatory burdens, this was the first time that the approach was successfully used to support major post-approval reformulation of an innovator’s MR drug product. Note that in the EU scaling is acceptable only for Cmax. Good luck with ABE for the AUCs. +++++++++++ Equivalence test - TOST +++++++++++
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jag009 ★★★ NJ, 2014-09-30 19:25 (3878 d 16:19 ago) @ Helmut Posting: # 13622 Views: 8,044 |
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Hi Helmut! What is the different between DR capsule and DR tablet? Hmm... We made capsule formulation containing DR beads and later made a BE tablet formulation containing the same DR beads. Wonder if it is the same thing... ~2-300% ISCV? Crazy... John |
Helmut ★★★ ![]() ![]() Vienna, Austria, 2014-09-30 22:09 (3878 d 13:36 ago) @ jag009 Posting: # 13624 Views: 8,153 |
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Hi John, ❝ What is the different between DR capsule and DR tablet? Safety concerns about the plasticizer: Dibutyl phtalate (NDA 19651) ⇒ dibutyl sebacate (NDA 204412). The study was performed in three centers, 252 subjects, 238 completed. Details here. ![]() Oh, how I love arithmetic means ± SDs. If I take this drug must I fear a concentration of ▬300 ng/mL? Antimatter part of the recipe? ❝ ~2-300% ISCV? Crazy... Absolutely. These are the highest numbers I ever have seen. BTW, AUC > Cmax… — Dif-tor heh smusma 🖖🏼 Довге життя Україна! ![]() Helmut Schütz ![]() The quality of responses received is directly proportional to the quality of the question asked. 🚮 Science Quotes |
luvblooms ★★ India, 2014-10-01 08:24 (3878 d 03:20 ago) @ Helmut Posting: # 13626 Views: 8,124 |
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Hi HS, ❝ Absolutely. These are the highest numbers I ever have seen. BTW, AUC > Cmax… And that too in fasting condition. I am now more worried about the variability in fed condition where there will be more variables (different gastric pHs, different gastric emptying rate, different gastric moment). Innovator has not done the fed study but FDA want generics company to do both the studies (here) ![]() Or one shall simplay go ahead with the exhibit batches and take a rist with higher number of volunteers? Tough times ahead. — ~A happy Soul~ |
Helmut ★★★ ![]() ![]() Vienna, Austria, 2014-10-01 16:32 (3877 d 19:12 ago) @ luvblooms Posting: # 13634 Views: 8,070 |
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Hi Luv, ❝ I am now more worried about the variability in fed condition where there will be more variables (different gastric pHs, different gastric emptying rate, different gastric moment). Innovator has not done the fed study but FDA want generics company to do both the studies (here) That’s bizarre, IMHO. I didn’t look in the label but in Europe the SmPC states something like “to be taken on an empty stomach one hour before meals”.* ❝ With this variability, does it really makes a sense to run a pilot study using 18-24 volunteer?? As there will be no gurantee that a product formula comfortable in pilot will pass again in pivotal studies. Likely. We face this problem all the time when we plan pivotal studies. If scaling is concerned, the CV is not problematic, but the GMR really may hurt. With such a high CV, I have some doubts whether you’ll get a meaningful estimate of the GMR from the pilot at all. Follow your gut feelings (mesalamine…). ![]() ❝ Or one shall simplay go ahead with the exhibit batches and take a rist with higher number of volunteers? Duno. Ask a fortune-teller.
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luvblooms ★★ India, 2014-10-01 08:15 (3878 d 03:29 ago) @ jag009 Posting: # 13625 Views: 8,051 |
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Hi John ❝ We made capsule formulation containing DR beads and later made a BE tablet formulation containing the same DR beads. What was the ISCV observed? In one of our current study of DR pellets we got IntraSCV ~110% for reference and test (T/R min and max ranges was 8%-4000%) where as the interSCV was ~100% for both. — ~A happy Soul~ |
jag009 ★★★ NJ, 2014-10-01 22:41 (3877 d 13:03 ago) @ luvblooms Posting: # 13637 Views: 7,925 |
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Hi Luv, ❝ What was the ISCV observed? ❝ In one of our current study of DR pellets we got IntraSCV ~110% for reference and test (T/R min and max ranges was 8%-4000%) where as the interSCV was ~100% for both. Not big, less than 20%, maybe like 15%? It was diltiazem. Basically we started the project with DR (or ER) beads in a capsule formulation but then switched to a tablet formulation containing the same ER beads (We called it a wax tablet). It was dead on bioequivalence with T/R Ratio like 95-99%. John |