ElMaestro ★★★ Denmark, 2013-02-14 15:46 (4511 d 00:47 ago) Posting: # 10026 Views: 7,005 |
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Hi all, Potvin's method were developed for 2,2,2-BE crossover trials but I am interested in extending the methodology to parallel designs. In this regard I have two major areas of doubt:
Best regards and muchas gracias for any input you can give, EM. Notes:
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d_labes ★★★ Berlin, Germany, 2013-02-15 10:16 (4510 d 06:17 ago) @ ElMaestro Posting: # 10028 Views: 5,905 |
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Dear ElMaestro, ❝ Notes: ❝ 1: I tried to read Julious, C&L, and even the documentation for power.TOST but stil have my doubts. Since I have done the documentation of PowerTOST I'm not able to answer until I know where your doubts are. I will try with the fundamental relationship of approximating the non-central t-distribution with the 'shifted' central t-distribution:
Using this relationship the strategy to follow is: Use the power formulas given by Julious for the parallel group design, based on non-central t-distribution, and apply the approximation via 'shifted' central t-distribution. Hope this helps. BTW: Do you really need that last "Quäntchen" for speed? I can't believe that the usage of non-central t-distribution versus central t-distribution will make much a difference in a compiler environment. — Regards, Detlew |
ElMaestro ★★★ Denmark, 2013-02-15 12:37 (4510 d 03:56 ago) @ d_labes Posting: # 10029 Views: 5,888 |
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Dear d_labes, thanks for answering. I will try to describe. The power given by Potvin is P= Ft(a/(s*sqrt(2/n)) - t, DF) - Ft(b/(s*sqrt(2/n)) - t, DF) where a and b are simple constants, s is derived from the CV and n is the total sample size, t is the critical value given some alpha and the df (=n-2). In a 2,2,2BE crossover we have n*2 observations. DF loss: Treatment 2 (or intercept 1 + treatment 1) Sequence 1 Subject n-1 Period 1 and then we gain 1 due to redundancy/crossover: So DF222=2n-2-1-(n-1)-1 + 1 = n-2 In a parallel study with n subjects we have n observations just lose 2 df's due to the two treatments (or one treatment plus intercept). DFpar=n-2 Ach so.... So if power formulae (whcihever Owen's Q, shifted t, central t ...) can be ported without to Parallel studies then a parallel study and a 2,2,2-be study should have the same power for a given n, theta and s? No. We probably need to take some kind of design constant into consideration. In this post the design constants and n were defined slightly different from the current version of power.TOST I think, at least it looks like that when I go known.designs() in your brilliant package (installed last week).About here here I have lost orientation. I do not know how to take the design into consideration when using Potvin's equation to calculate power for the parallel situation. (Post changed here due to slow-working brain!) ❝ BTW: Do you really need that last "Quäntchen" for speed? I can't believe that the usage of non-central t-distribution versus central t-distribution will make much a difference in a compiler environment. Yes I believe I need it. I can explain the trick later. — Pass or fail! ElMaestro |
d_labes ★★★ Berlin, Germany, 2013-02-15 15:31 (4510 d 01:02 ago) @ ElMaestro Posting: # 10033 Views: 5,966 |
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Dear Ol'Simulant, according to Julious1), log-transformed data, parallel group design with common variance, non-central t-approximation: power = pt(-tcrit, df, delta2) - pt(tcrit, df, delta1) with df = nT+nR-2 # unequal sizes of both groups allowed If you prefer to think in total number n=nT+nR and have a balanced design with nT=nR=n/2 some of the formula reduce to: df = n-2 Note the design constant=4 in the last formulas (in terms of total n). Different from the 2 in your formulas for the classical 2x2x2 crossover. If it comes to unequal CV's, variances: Duno exactly.
The application of the 'shifted' central t-approximation is left to you ![]() 1) S.A. Julious "TUTORIAL IN BIOSTATISTICS Sample sizes for clinical trials with Normalal data" Statistics in Medicine 2004; 23: 1921-1986 page 1970, formula 68 — Regards, Detlew |
ElMaestro ★★★ Denmark, 2013-02-15 17:16 (4509 d 23:18 ago) @ d_labes Posting: # 10035 Views: 5,730 |
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Thanks a lot, d_labes, [rest of post deleted due to low IQ] — Pass or fail! ElMaestro |