Ohlbe ★★★ France, 2009-07-23 14:04 (5774 d 20:10 ago) Posting: # 3982 Views: 8,180 |
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Dear all, WHO just posted on its website its first "Notice of Concern" (sort of warning letter) sent to a CRO. From the details given it seems that not everybody had received and understood the message from their inspections in 2004. Regards Ohlbe |
Helmut ★★★ ![]() ![]() Vienna, Austria, 2009-07-23 14:50 (5774 d 19:24 ago) @ Ohlbe Posting: # 3983 Views: 6,531 |
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Dear Ohlbe, fascinating reading matter! It's hard to tell which part I liked the most, but the PDF of a chromatogram generated two days before the actual analysis of the sample is one of my favorites. Since a time machine needs exotic matter to stabilize a wormhole these guys a real pro's (at least when science fiction comes into play). Or maybe just their PC's system clock needs an overhaul? — Dif-tor heh smusma 🖖🏼 Довге життя Україна! ![]() Helmut Schütz ![]() The quality of responses received is directly proportional to the quality of the question asked. 🚮 Science Quotes |
ElMaestro ★★★ Denmark, 2009-07-24 13:18 (5773 d 20:56 ago) @ Helmut Posting: # 3985 Views: 6,252 |
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❝ Or maybe just their PC's system clock needs an overhaul? Or maybe 'someone' in that company needs a keelhaul? I don't think any of WHO's documents specifically forbid using keelhauling as corrective action. Re. section 5 where ref. is made to §6.7 "The method validation ... not be ensured" I fully agree. In principle there is, as I see it, an element of scientific assessment in that statement. The problem here is perhaps not necessarily (lack of) compliance with some internal procedures but rather bad science. To generalise my point, if a company is compliant with its procedures but the procedures are bad, is this then a GxP issue or is it something else? Best regards EM. |
Helmut ★★★ ![]() ![]() Vienna, Austria, 2009-07-27 21:19 (5770 d 12:55 ago) @ ElMaestro Posting: # 3989 Views: 6,274 |
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Hi ElMaestro! Strongly support keelhauling. ❝ […] The problem here is perhaps not necessarily (lack of) compliance with some internal procedures but rather bad science. To generalise my point, if a company is compliant with its procedures but the procedures are bad, is this then a GxP issue or is it something else? In my understanding you are targeting a main problem with GxP. From a historical perspective GxP (I think GLP was the first) the main idea was to prevent fraud. If everything is documented, you are able to reconstruct how a result was produced (yes, and why, by whom, etc). There's no scientific evaluation within GxP. If a procedure is bad science – but well documented – it is more likely GxP compliant than a genius’ badly documented work. If Fleming’s lab was not molding away during a vacation, we would not know penicillin. Do you think that Watson & Crick would have ‘survived’ a GLP-inspection? ![]() I often hear ‘Well, we have an SOP for it!’ – but procedures in the SOP are bullshit from a scientific point of view. Remember a quote in one of our previous discussions. I always state ‘critical points’ not only in an SOP, but also in the protocol. So at least both the EC and regulators know what I indent to do. During an inspection IMHO you have better prospects for a procedure in an approved protocol, rather than an SOP only. — Dif-tor heh smusma 🖖🏼 Довге життя Україна! ![]() Helmut Schütz ![]() The quality of responses received is directly proportional to the quality of the question asked. 🚮 Science Quotes |
ElMaestro ★★★ Denmark, 2009-07-27 23:23 (5770 d 10:50 ago) @ Helmut Posting: # 3990 Views: 6,184 |
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Hi HS, ❝ Strongly support keelhauling. Tonnerre de Brest, just tell me where and when to start. And trust me I do have a few other tricks onboard my mighty fine vessel in case there are some stubborn specimens out there. ❝ ‘critical points’ not only in an SOP, but also in the protocol. So at least both the EC and regulators know what I indent to do. During an inspection IMHO you have better prospects for a procedure in an approved protocol, rather than an SOP only. That is clearly the way to go. HS +10 points. EM. |
Helmut ★★★ ![]() ![]() Vienna, Austria, 2009-07-28 14:39 (5769 d 19:35 ago) @ ElMaestro Posting: # 3991 Views: 6,059 |
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Ahoy, ElMaestro! ❝ Tonnerre de Brest, […] Mille millions de mille milliards de mille sabords! Sur commande, mon capitaine Haddock! ❝ […] HS +10 points. Well, thanks! But in the future, please keep the score at 9.9 – leaving an incentive for improvement. ![]() — Dif-tor heh smusma 🖖🏼 Довге життя Україна! ![]() Helmut Schütz ![]() The quality of responses received is directly proportional to the quality of the question asked. 🚮 Science Quotes |