jag009 ★★★ NJ, 2013-02-05 23:03 (4476 d 18:26 ago) Posting: # 9968 Views: 9,490 |
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Hi all, Based on your experience ![]() Thanks John |
drgunasakaran1 ★★ ![]() 2013-02-06 09:31 (4476 d 07:58 ago) @ jag009 Posting: # 9971 Views: 8,470 |
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Dear Mr John, ❝ Intrasubject CV of the test product being much higher than that of the reference product. In my experience, I encountered 1 out 10 products showed higher Intrasubject CV for test formulation when compared to ISCV of reference formulation. — Dr Gunasakaran Sambandan MD Disclaimer: The replies/posts are my personal opinions, and they do not represent my company's views on the same. LinkedIn |
jag009 ★★★ NJ, 2013-02-06 16:14 (4476 d 01:14 ago) @ drgunasakaran1 Posting: # 9978 Views: 8,482 |
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Hi drgunasakaran1, ❝ In my experience, I encountered 1 out 10 products showed higher Intrasubject CV for test formulation when compared to ISCV of reference formulation. 1 out of 10? Are you referring to highly variable drug category (where ISCV is > 30%) or you mean in general (as in pooling both non-highly variable and highly variable drug)? Thanks John |
Dr_Dan ★★ Germany, 2013-02-06 13:10 (4476 d 04:19 ago) @ jag009 Posting: # 9975 Views: 8,434 |
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Dear John You have to distinguish between variability due to Drug Product (inactive ingredient effects, manufacturing effects) and variability due to Drug Substance (variable absorption rate, extent, low bioavailability, low aqueous solubility, acid lability and most important extensive pre-systemic metabolism). Therefore in this case it would be also interesting to compare the inter-subject variability. In general the development of the test product is more advanced and the variability due to Drug Product is less. Kind regards Dan — Kind regards and have a nice day Dr_Dan |
jag009 ★★★ NJ, 2013-02-06 16:26 (4476 d 01:02 ago) @ Dr_Dan Posting: # 9979 Views: 8,379 |
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Hi Dr_Dan, ❝ You have to distinguish between variability... Therefore in this case it would be also interesting to compare the inter-subject variability. Just out of curiousity, why would you be interested in the intersubject variability? Thanks John |
luvblooms ★★ India, 2013-02-06 13:27 (4476 d 04:02 ago) @ jag009 Posting: # 9976 Views: 8,671 |
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Dear Jag My experience For simple IR products BCS class-1 and III: very less (~none, only shock we gor once was for BUSPIRONE where Intra subject CV was 38% and inter subject CV was 80%) BCS class-II and IV: ~50% case (mainly beause of variable ingredient effects, manufacturing process, variable rate and extentof absorption etc etc) For MR/ER/PR products Variability was observed in ~50 percent case inter-subject variability was higher mainly because of he design of test product. — ~A happy Soul~ |
jag009 ★★★ NJ, 2013-02-06 16:28 (4476 d 01:00 ago) @ luvblooms Posting: # 9980 Views: 8,375 |
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Thanks luvBloom, ❝ For MR/ER/PR products ❝ Variability was observed in ~50 percent case inter-subject variability was higher mainly because of he design of test product. You meant intra-subject variability? John |
Dr_Dan ★★ Germany, 2013-02-07 12:00 (4475 d 05:29 ago) @ jag009 Posting: # 9984 Views: 8,378 |
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Dear John Please keep in mind: HVD ≠ HVDP HVDPs are products in which the drug must not necessaribly be highly variable, but the product could be of poor pharmaceutical quality => high within-formulation variability! Examples exist where a highly variable reference product failed to demonstrate bioequivalence when compared to itself in a BE study using the standard design/sample size. Kind regards Dan — Kind regards and have a nice day Dr_Dan |
Helmut ★★★ ![]() ![]() Vienna, Austria, 2013-02-07 14:22 (4475 d 03:07 ago) @ Dr_Dan Posting: # 9986 Views: 8,310 |
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Dear Dan & John ❝ Please keep in mind: HVD ≠ HVDP Exactly. CVintra of diclofenac from my files: Solution ~7%, effervescent tablets ~10%, IR ~12%, suppository ~15%, enteric coated ~25%, dermal ~35%. — Dif-tor heh smusma 🖖🏼 Довге життя Україна! ![]() Helmut Schütz ![]() The quality of responses received is directly proportional to the quality of the question asked. 🚮 Science Quotes |
jag009 ★★★ NJ, 2013-02-07 16:22 (4475 d 01:06 ago) @ Dr_Dan Posting: # 9988 Views: 8,294 |
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Hi Dr_Dan, ❝ Please keep in mind: HVD ≠ HVDP ❝ HVDPs are products in which the drug must not necessaribly be highly variable, but the product could be of poor pharmaceutical quality => high within-formulation variability! Understood and totally agree. I was just curious on what basis one justifies the need for a full four way replicate design study. I just don't see it unless one has identified the issues based on 1) quality issue - variation observed from dissolution/content uniformity/etc etc 2) running a pilot test only 2x2 or full replicate study. John |