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jag009 ★★★ NJ, 2012-09-06 19:23 (5032 d 16:51 ago) (edited on 2012-09-06 20:17) Posting: # 9156 Views: 8,426 |
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Hi all, Can someone give me a short (really short?) lecture on analyzing 4-way crossover BA/BE study involving 3 test formulations and reference in SAS? I tried using GLM but failed to get the sequence effect and the 90% CI (Test vs Reference). The data I was trying is not balance, that is not all subjects have all 4 treatments data. Some has 2 or 3 treatments while others have completed all 4 treatments. Thanks John |
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d_labes ★★★ Berlin, Germany, 2012-09-07 14:05 (5031 d 22:09 ago) @ jag009 Posting: # 9158 Views: 7,456 |
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Hi John, you talk about a crossover study with more than two treatments, right? What SAS code did you use that failed? Any error messages? Mine for the evaluation of crossover studies with more than 2 formulations is (all effects fixed model, Proc GLM): Replace logPK with your variables containing the log-transformed PK metrics under evaluation.If you have coded your treatments/formulations with T1, T2, T3 and R the LSMeans statement will give you the differences R-T1, R-T2 and R-T3 and the pairs Tx-Ty as well in lexical order. Therefore you have to change the sign and swap upper/lower limits to get R-Tx. If you are also interested in Tx-Ty modify the code to not change the sign for these pairs. If you are not interested in sequence effect, drop it from the GLM code. The 90% confidence intervals are the same. Eventually you should consider an alpha-adjustment or Dunetts test. See Hauschke, Steinijans, Pigeot "Bioequivalence Studies in Drug Development" Wiley, Chichester (2007) Chapter 7 "Designs with more than two formulation", 7.4 "Multiplicity" Hope this helps. — Regards, Detlew |
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jag009 ★★★ NJ, 2012-09-11 00:23 (5028 d 11:52 ago) @ d_labes Posting: # 9167 Views: 7,337 |
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Hi d_labes, Thanks for the code. My code is similar to yours except for the (T/R) 90% geometric confidence interval. Shouldn't the CI be computed based on the following formula? lower and upper CI = 100*exp(difference ± t 0.05,&df × SE difference). Thanks John |
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d_labes ★★★ Berlin, Germany, 2012-09-11 10:34 (5028 d 01:41 ago) @ jag009 Posting: # 9175 Views: 7,426 |
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Hi John! ❝ ... Shouldn't the CI be computed based on the following formula? ❝ ❝ lower and upper CI = 100*exp(difference ± t 0.05,&df × SE difference). This is done by Proc GLM for you (if you specify /CLPARM alpha=0.1 on the model statement). Without bothering to remember the correct formula for obtaining the confidence limits .BTW: If your code was similar to mine, what was the problem? — Regards, Detlew |
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jag009 ★★★ NJ, 2012-09-11 18:46 (5027 d 17:29 ago) @ d_labes Posting: # 9178 Views: 7,250 |
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Hi d_labes, Something is wrong with my 90% CI routine. Unlike yours I wrote a long routine for the computation. It's a bit long and Helmut will probably shoot me for sending such a long code in a message. Thanks John |
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Helmut ★★★ ![]() Vienna, Austria, 2012-09-11 18:53 (5027 d 17:21 ago) @ jag009 Posting: # 9179 Views: 7,263 |
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Hi John! ❝ Something is wrong with my 90% CI routine. […] It's a bit long and Helmut will probably shoot me for sending such a long code in a message. The current limit is 105 characters – you would get a warning in the preview and in posting. If you stop typing blanks between sentences you could reduce the length as well. ![]() — Dif-tor heh smusma 🖖🏼 Довге життя Україна! ![]() Helmut Schütz ![]() The quality of responses received is directly proportional to the quality of the question asked. 🚮 Science Quotes |
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jag009 ★★★ NJ, 2012-09-11 23:07 (5027 d 13:07 ago) @ Helmut Posting: # 9180 Views: 7,258 |
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Hi Helmut, I am still confused about blanks . You want me to write like in this?Thanks John |
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Helmut ★★★ ![]() Vienna, Austria, 2012-09-12 16:49 (5026 d 19:26 ago) @ jag009 Posting: # 9187 Views: 7,241 |
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Hi John, you are notoriously adding blanks before or after sentences. These blanks are not displayed, but need editing in quoting your post in a reply. Below I have enclosed your original post within BB-codes. See the blanks now?
I am still confused about blanks. You want me to write like in this?— Dif-tor heh smusma 🖖🏼 Довге життя Україна! ![]() Helmut Schütz ![]() The quality of responses received is directly proportional to the quality of the question asked. 🚮 Science Quotes |
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jag009 ★★★ NJ, 2012-09-13 20:23 (5025 d 15:52 ago) @ Helmut Posting: # 9206 Views: 7,207 |
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Got it ![]() |
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jag009 ★★★ NJ, 2012-09-13 21:49 (5025 d 14:26 ago) @ d_labes Posting: # 9208 Views: 7,246 |
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Hi D_labe, Thanks for the suggestion of adding /CLPARM alpha=0.1 on the model statement. It works and save me many lines of code for computing the 90% CI John |
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