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2011-09-01 18:24
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 Handling of dividing subject in two groups [General Sta­tis­tics]

Dear All,

in a 2x2-crossover BE-Study with 80 subject the subjects are divided in two groups with 40 Subject due to clinical capacity.

Treatment date of group 1: 1.9 (treatment 1) and 8.9 (treatment 2)
Treatment date of group 1: 4.9 (treatment 1) and 11.9 (treatment 2)

With is the most appropriate approach (from statistical and from guideline point of view):

a)
usual 2x2-ANOVA model with Terms SUBJECT PERIOD FORM with 2 Periods
(treatment 1 --> period 1, treatment 2 --> period 2)

proc GLM data=work.dummi;
   class SUBJECT PERIOD FORM;
   model LogAUCT LogCmax = SUBJECT PERIOD FORM/ SS3;
   lsmeans FORM / pdiff CL alpha=0.10;


b)
usual 2x2-ANOVA model (see code above) with Terms SUBJECT PERIOD FORM with 4 Periods
(treatment 1, group 1 --> period 1, treatment 1, group 2 --> period 2, treatment 2, group 1 --> period 3, treatment 2, group 2 --> period 4)

c)
including a TERM 'GROUP' in the ANOVA-Model. And which is the best way ? 2 stage design way without alpha-adjustment ?

d)
way proposed form a non-statistican (of our sponsor)

proc GLM data=work.dummi;
   class SUBJECT GROUP PERIOD FORM;
   model LogAUCT LogCmax = SUBJECT GROUP PERIOD FORM/ SS3;
   lsmeans FORM / pdiff CL alpha=0.10;


approach does not work ;-) because of zero degrees of freedom for the factor group ;-)

Best regards and thank you in advance

BEman
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2011-09-01 19:24
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 Handling of dividing subject in two groups

Dear BEman,

I’m a little bit short in time – maybe this post (including the reference) helps?

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2011-09-03 11:33
(5402 d 01:36 ago)

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 Handling of dividing subject in two groups

Dear BEman,

❝ in a 2x2-crossover BE-Study with 80 subject the subjects are divided in two groups with 40 Subject due to clinical capacity.

❝ d) Way proposed form a non-statistican (of our sponsor)


Following is 2 x 2-ANOVA Model with multiple groups

Proc GLM Data=work.Dummi;
  class Sequence Subject Group Formulation Period;
  model LogAUCinf LogAUCT LogCmax = Sequence Group Subject(Sequence*Group) Formulation Period/ss1 ss3;
  test h=Sequence   e=Subject(Sequence*Group);
  test h=Group   e=Subject(Sequence*Group);
  lsmeans Formulation Period/stderr pdiff;
  estimate 'R vs T' formulation -1 1;
  run;quit;


After execution of above SAS code, there is no zero degrees of freedom for the factor group. :-)


Best Regards,
Pankaj Bhangale
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