Balaji ☆ India, 2015-11-23 14:39 (3437 d 05:25 ago) Posting: # 15653 Views: 14,148 |
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Can anyone tell me how to calculate Inter subject variability for parallel design using phoenix winnonlin or manually ![]() Thanks in Advance ![]() |
Helmut ★★★ ![]() ![]() Vienna, Austria, 2015-11-23 16:07 (3437 d 03:57 ago) @ Balaji Posting: # 15655 Views: 12,546 |
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Hi Balaji, ❝ Can anyone tell me how to calculate Inter subject variability for parallel design… That’s a common misconception. The fact that you administered products only once does not mean that the intra-subject variability does not exist (you observed only one occasion). You can calculate the inter-subject variability only in a crossover design. In a parallel design you get only the total (or pooled) variability, which consists of both inter- and intra-subject components. Talking of inter-subject variability in parallel designs is sloppy terminology. ❝ … using phoenix winnonlin or manually Correct. I would not suggest to assume equal variances in groups (see the FDA’s 2001 guidance). Example dataset:
PE 48.58% (90% CI: 27.15–86.94%). Levene’s test for equality of variances is significant (p 0.0229). The conventional t-test is liberal in the case of unequal variances and even more sensitive to unequal group sizes. Personally I would not apply pre-testing and use the Welch-Satterthwaite adjustment in all cases. In PHX/WNL add a column “period” to the data (containing 1 in all rows). Map trt to Formulation , var to Dependent , subj and period to Classification . Keep trt as the fixed effect and add a repeated specification to the variance structure: repeated = period , variance blocking variables = subj , group = trt , type = variance components . This specification gives:PE 48.58% (90% CI: 26.78–88.14%) – which is wider (conservative). In the conventional analysis the total CV is \(\small{100\sqrt{\exp{(Var(Residual))}-1}=80.54\%}\). In the modified analysis you can estimate the total CV separately for T and R, where in PHX/WNL Var(period*trt*subj)_11 is the one of R and Var(period*trt*subj)_12 the one of T. From these variances we get a total CV of 46.23% for R and 111.34% for T.Variances (but not CVs) are additive. Since group sizes are equal, we don’t have to worry about weighting by the degrees of freedom. The residual variance in the default model is 0.5000. The one of R is 0.1937 and the one of T 0.8063. Hence, (0.1937+0.8063)/2=0.5000. ∎ — Dif-tor heh smusma 🖖🏼 Довге життя Україна! ![]() Helmut Schütz ![]() The quality of responses received is directly proportional to the quality of the question asked. 🚮 Science Quotes |
Balaji ☆ India, 2015-11-24 08:14 (3436 d 11:51 ago) @ Helmut Posting: # 15657 Views: 12,011 |
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Thanks Helmut so we can use total variability instead of (inter subject variability and intra subject variability) for parallel design using this 100√ℯVar(Residual)–1 but winnonlin wont calculate total cv we have to calculate manually am I right ![]() ![]() |
Helmut ★★★ ![]() ![]() Vienna, Austria, 2015-11-24 13:58 (3436 d 06:06 ago) @ Balaji Posting: # 15661 Views: 12,006 |
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Hi Balaji, ❝ so we can use total variability instead of (inter subject variability and intra subject variability) for parallel design… Not instead of… In a parallel design the total variability is all we have. Again: Inter- and intra-subject variabilities are not accessible, only their sum! ❝ …using this 100√ℯVar(Residual)–1 I strongly advise to use the modified setup (see the “Phoenix WinNonlin 6.4 User’s Guide”, p85–6). ❝ …but winnonlin wont calculate total cv we have to calculate manually Manually? Set up a custom transformation in the Data Wizard.
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Balaji ☆ India, 2015-11-24 14:44 (3436 d 05:20 ago) @ Helmut Posting: # 15663 Views: 11,962 |
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Again Thanks Helmut So your saying by using data wizard is the only way to calculate total cv we wont get it by changing some settings ![]() |
Helmut ★★★ ![]() ![]() Vienna, Austria, 2015-11-24 15:09 (3436 d 04:55 ago) @ Balaji Posting: # 15664 Views: 12,136 |
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Hi Balaji, ❝ So your saying by using data wizard is the only way to calculate total cv Correct. ❝ we wont get it by changing some settings Yes. Why are you confused? What about RTFMs? Relevant ones: “Phoenix WinNonlin 6.4 User’s Guide” and “Data Tools and Plots Guide”. 784 pages. There is no free lunch. If you have difficulties with the setup, I suggest to register at Certara’s forum. There you could upload your project-file. — Dif-tor heh smusma 🖖🏼 Довге життя Україна! ![]() Helmut Schütz ![]() The quality of responses received is directly proportional to the quality of the question asked. 🚮 Science Quotes |