Helmut ★★★ ![]() ![]() Vienna, Austria, 2012-12-18 19:04 (4513 d 13:34 ago) Posting: # 9730 Views: 11,865 |
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Dear all, any idea how to estimate sample size for Cmax (PE within 80–125%; no 90% CI)? Nothing is mentioned in the final guidance; the draft stated in Appendix 1 (lines 752–753): Sample size calculations, based on a standard where only the mean estimate is required to fall within the bioequivalence interval, are not possible. Don’t agree. It’s easy enough through simulations (i.e., θ0 0.95, CVintra 40%, n 12, power 82.2%). What puzzles me is the lacking consideration of the patient’s risk. With a θ0 at the limits of the acceptance range by definition 50% of studies will pass – independent from CV and sample size.![]() Reminds me on this goodie. ![]() — Dif-tor heh smusma 🖖🏼 Довге життя Україна! ![]() Helmut Schütz ![]() The quality of responses received is directly proportional to the quality of the question asked. 🚮 Science Quotes |
d_labes ★★★ Berlin, Germany, 2012-12-19 15:00 (4512 d 17:38 ago) @ Helmut Posting: # 9733 Views: 9,955 |
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Dear Helmut, ❝ Don’t agree. It’s easy enough through simulations (i.e., θ0 0.95, CVintra 40%, n 12, power 82.2%). Since no study will decide BE on Cmax alone this is wasting of time I think. The sample size estimation for the other metric AUC will give you with certainty a higher number of needed subjects. ❝ What puzzles me is the lacking consideration of the patient’s risk. With a θ0 at the limits of the acceptance range by definition 50% of studies will pass – independent from CV and sample size. As said above no study will decide BE on Cmax alone, but also on AUC. The decision on AUC has an alpha=0.05. Combining it with the decision on Cmax will not raise the error probability if AUC is truly not BE, I think: Only a half of the studies which conclude erroneously BE based on AUC will conclude also BE based on Cmax if true ratio for Cmax is on the BE limits. Thus the overall alpha should be <0.05. Correct me if I’m wrong. But ... In case of 'true BE based on AUC' you are right. Then the overall decision is solely based on the point estimator of Cmax within 80-125%. Seems the Canadians see this more as a problem of the power of the AUC decision than as a problem of patient’s risk. — Regards, Detlew |
Helmut ★★★ ![]() ![]() Vienna, Austria, 2012-12-29 16:59 (4502 d 15:40 ago) @ d_labes Posting: # 9766 Views: 9,498 |
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— Dif-tor heh smusma 🖖🏼 Довге життя Україна! ![]() Helmut Schütz ![]() The quality of responses received is directly proportional to the quality of the question asked. 🚮 Science Quotes |
d_labes ★★★ Berlin, Germany, 2012-12-31 14:36 (4500 d 18:02 ago) @ Helmut Posting: # 9767 Views: 9,389 |
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Dear Helmut, ❝ IUT None of them. I meant: Intersection-Union-Test That's the crux with acronyms. Everybody uses them, but the meaning is usually restricted to the initiates. But sometimes not even to them ![]() — Regards, Detlew |
VStus ★ Poland, 2017-01-19 11:10 (3020 d 21:28 ago) @ Helmut Posting: # 16981 Views: 7,177 |
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Dear Helmut, ❝ Don’t agree. It’s easy enough through simulations (i.e., θ0 0.95, CVintra 40%, n 12, power 82.2%). Can such a simulation be performed using PowerTOST? If no, can you please give some insight on R-code to do the task? Thank you very much in advance! Regards, VStus |
zizou ★ Plzeň, Czech Republic, 2017-01-19 13:20 (3020 d 19:19 ago) @ VStus Posting: # 16982 Views: 7,171 |
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Hi everybody and nobody. ❝ ❝ Don’t agree. It’s easy enough through simulations (i.e., θ0 0.95, CVintra 40%, n 12, power 82.2%). Or just trick without simulations with alpha setting to 0.5 (i.e. 1-2*alpha=1-2*0.5=1-1=0). "0% confidence interval for GMR" is just GMR, I think. x) Using exact method for power calculation with θ0 0.95, CVintra 40%, n 12, and alpha 0.5 (not 0.05) I can confirm your simulated power 82.2%. (For θ0=0.80 with alpha=0.5 the power is around 50% as expected.) ❝ Can such a simulation be performed using PowerTOST? If no, can you please give some insight on R-code to do the task? Maybe simulations are not required here. Best regards, zizou |
Helmut ★★★ ![]() ![]() Vienna, Austria, 2017-01-19 13:30 (3020 d 19:08 ago) @ VStus Posting: # 16983 Views: 7,371 |
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Hi VStus, ❝ ❝ It’s easy enough through simulations (i.e., θ0 0.95, CVintra 40%, n 12, power 82.2%). ❝ Can such a simulation be performed using PowerTOST? Yes – set α to 0.5. ![]()
Or the one of from my OP (1):
Coming back to the subject line of this thread (2):
![]() Even if the CV of Cmax is much higher than the one of AUC we don’t have to worry about it – confirming what Detlew wrote above. Now try this one (3):
![]() If the CVs of Cmax and AUC would be equal, ABEL still drives the sample size. At high CVs and PEs off from 1 scaling doesn’t help much more due to the CV cap + PE-restriction. Therefore, even in ABEL mainly the PE-restriction leads the BE-decision. Edit: Patience! Runtimes on my machine: 1.9 s (1), 33 s (2), 17 s (3). — Dif-tor heh smusma 🖖🏼 Довге життя Україна! ![]() Helmut Schütz ![]() The quality of responses received is directly proportional to the quality of the question asked. 🚮 Science Quotes |
VStus ★ Poland, 2017-01-31 14:44 (3008 d 17:55 ago) @ Helmut Posting: # 17001 Views: 6,813 |
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Dear zizou, Dear Helmut, Thank you very much! At first I though that RStudio got frozen :) Sorry for not responding earlier, notification has not worked. In the meantime, Canadian CRO just used Intra-subject variability of AUCt (very low) with extreme T/R to justify the sample size of 24. And we have reasons to assume that real T/R for Cmax is far below unity. This gives less than 60% power on 24 subjects, but still more than just a coin flip ![]() Regards, VStus |