ashwinim13 ☆ India, 2008-08-18 12:42 (6098 d 03:49 ago) Posting: # 2194 Views: 10,775 |
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Dear All, Can we calculate the sample size for Replicate 3 period (ABB/BAA) & Replicate 4 period (ABBA/BAAB) on the basis of Intra CV got in 2way crossover study. Could you please tell me by what amount or percentage it will reduce for 3 way and 4 way crossover study. I will be greatful to you if you will provide me some references. Best Regards AshwiniM |
Helmut ★★★ ![]() ![]() Vienna, Austria, 2008-08-18 13:57 (6098 d 02:34 ago) @ ashwinim13 Posting: # 2195 Views: 9,511 |
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Dear Ashwini, ❝ Can we calculate the sample size for Replicate 3 period (ABB/BAA) & Replicate 4 period (ABBA/BAAB) on the basis of Intra CV got in 2way crossover study. Could you please tell me by what amount or percentage it will reduce for 3 way and 4 way crossover study. Yes; see this post for TRT/RTR (75% of TR/RT) and TRRT/RTTR (50% of TR/RT). No idea about TRR/RTT... — Dif-tor heh smusma 🖖🏼 Довге життя Україна! ![]() Helmut Schütz ![]() The quality of responses received is directly proportional to the quality of the question asked. 🚮 Science Quotes |
d_labes ★★★ Berlin, Germany, 2008-08-21 11:13 (6095 d 05:18 ago) @ Helmut Posting: # 2211 Views: 9,552 |
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Dear HS, ❝ Yes; see this post for TRT/RTR (75% of TR/RT) and TRRT/RTTR (50% of TR/RT). ❝ No idea about TRR/RTT... as I have understood until now all 3 period and all 4 period replicate designs, regardless of which sequences are used, have the same variance of the treatment effect namely
3 period : 3/8*s2/N if no carry-over term is incorporated in the model. Compared to the common 2x2 design with variance 1/2*s2/N you get your mentioned 75% or 50% respectively. See for that Jones and Kenward Design and Analsis of Cross-over Trials Chapter 3 Only if a carry-over term (as simple carry over in different flavors) or other interaction terms are introduced in the model different variances arose for the different designs. Regarding the carry-over (and the model for simple carry-over) I adopt SENN's position: With an adequate wash-out period an standardization of the study it is futile in BE studies. Interesting enough there is no teensy-weensy attempt of incorporation of carry-over in the FDA code for analysing average BE in replicate designs. Thus IMHO we have always the same sample size estimation formula for 3 or 4 period replicate designs. — Regards, Detlew |
Helmut ★★★ ![]() ![]() Vienna, Austria, 2008-08-21 14:25 (6095 d 02:06 ago) @ d_labes Posting: # 2216 Views: 9,406 |
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Dear DLabes, I do agree with you at 100%. Thanks for the nice summary as well! — Dif-tor heh smusma 🖖🏼 Довге життя Україна! ![]() Helmut Schütz ![]() The quality of responses received is directly proportional to the quality of the question asked. 🚮 Science Quotes |
vidulabhole ● 2012-01-31 09:11 (4837 d 06:20 ago) @ ashwinim13 Posting: # 8022 Views: 7,756 |
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Dear All, Can we calculate the sample size for a 4-way crossover design? We are designing a study where each person will get 1 cycle each of 4 treatment regimes ABCD. I could calculate sample size for a two-way crossover design from an online calculator. How is the sample size of a 4-way crossover related to 2-way crossover study? As you may have guessed, I am a beginner in sample size calculation problems in crossover designs. Thanks, Vidula |
d_labes ★★★ Berlin, Germany, 2012-01-31 11:35 (4837 d 03:55 ago) @ vidulabhole Posting: # 8023 Views: 9,902 |
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Dear Vidula, ❝ Can we calculate the sample size for a 4-way crossover design? We are designing a study where each person will get 1 cycle each of 4 treatment regimes ABCD. This is not a replicate crossover design (as suggested in the subject line of your post). It is a crossover design for more then 2 treatments. Search the forum for “Williams' design“ to find some discussions about such designs, but mainly about crossover designs for 3-treatments-3-periods. See this thread/post with literature hints, also for sample size estimation. ❝ I could calculate sample size for a two-way crossover design from an online calculator. Fine. But how are you sure that the online calculator gives you reasonable results? Which methods, approximations did it use? Is it really for an equivalence test? Does it calculate with a multiplicative model (log-transformed) or in the untransformed domain? Be so kind to post the URL. I myself hadn't seen an online calculator for the sample size for BE studies up to know. ❝ How is the sample size of a 4-way crossover related to 2-way crossover study? The formulas for calculation of the power of a TOST of a specific comparison, let's say A versus B, are nearly the same as for the classical 2x2 crossover design. With the exception that the degrees of freedom for the ANOVA error mean square (MSE) used are different. But this makes seldom a great difference in terms of the sample size (see below). It mainly affects the attained power. To be on the safe side I (knowing the author since many years ![]() The best of this solution is: It's free of any charge. The second best is: It's source code is open, you and any other of the community can inspect it and assure it self it is calculating what he/she need the correct way. (Change the rating of the bests to your preference) Here some results of PowerTOST function sampleN.TOST() for both the classical 2x2 crossover and the 4x4 crossover, calculated with an assumed true ratio of 0.95, BE margins as usual 80 - 125% and target power 80%:CV "2x2" "4x4" Depending on the aim of your study you should eventually consider some alpha adjustment. See Chapter 7 of Hauschke, Steinijans and Pigeot Bioequivalence Studies in Drug Development Wiley, Chichester 2007 ❝ As you may have guessed, I am a beginner in sample size calculation problems in crossover designs. Welcome to the club. — Regards, Detlew |
vidulabhole ● 2012-01-31 14:15 (4837 d 01:16 ago) (edited on 2012-01-31 18:14) @ d_labes Posting: # 8024 Views: 7,938 |
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Dear DLabes, Thanks for your immediate and detailed reply...! I dont know how should I put it, (am feeling a bit stupid, actually), I put in this querry thinking that re: sample size calculations, basic rules qould be same for any kind of study. We are actually calculating sample size for a clinical trial where the outcome is a continuous variable, and we are using 4 different treatments (3 drugs, 1 placebo), one cycle each for one individual. So I was trying to find out ways to calculate sample size, (but did not find anything really useful except the link above), then reached this forum and so asked my question in this post. Thanks for your help, Vidula Sorry, forgot to insert the link: http://hedwig.mgh.harvard.edu/sample_size/js/js_crossover_quant.html Thanks! Vidula Edit: second message added to first. You can edit your posts within 24 hours after submission [Ohlbe] |
d_labes ★★★ Berlin, Germany, 2012-01-31 17:38 (4836 d 21:53 ago) @ vidulabhole Posting: # 8027 Views: 7,738 |
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Dear Vidula, ❝ We are actually calculating sample size for a clinical trial where the outcome is a continuous variable, and we are using 4 different treatments (3 drugs, 1 placebo), one cycle each for one individual. Sorry but this goes beyond the purposes of this forum. Cough, and it is anything but simple. I suggest you to go for professional help. BTW: The online calculator is for a superiority test. — Regards, Detlew |